What...what are you doing to Von Doom????!!!!???


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Freehold DM wrote:
heats up coffee to McDonald's lawsuit levels

And as he carries it off out of nowhere he is suddenly struck by a flying salmon,

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That's basically the origin from the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics.

They accidentally get transported through the N Zone and come back with super powers.

I'm fine with it. It's the same reason Spider-Man isn't bitten by a radioactive spider anymore, it's usually a genetically modified spider or some such.

Or as the AV Club put it, nowadays "...we know spaceflight turns people into senators and History Channel talking heads, not fire-flinging superheroes or blue-eyed rock men."


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I'll be blunt. I really don't care for the FF.

The Richardses are almost as engaging as a bag of wet socks, and their powers were given to far more interesting characters in The Incredibles. Hulk and Thing are about equally entertaining, unless Thing is rattling off rock puns (which they made him pretty reluctant to do in the FF movie), but at least in the two Avengers movies Hulk had his team to play Banner off of, and that made him far more interesting to watch. And there are a plethora of fire-based heroes (and villains!) that are far more engrossing than Johnny's tired old rebellious, hormone-fueled teen/post-teen schtick.

99% of the time, for nearly every person I know, an FF story lives or dies on Doom. He's who the majority of people - at least in my experience - are there to see. They want to see him be awesome, they want to see him enact grand sweeping plots, and they want to see him take on all four of the FF pretty much singlehandedly, or only supported by his minions and creations if that. And they want to see him pull victory, even if a lesser one, out of the jaws of his inevitable defeat by having backup plans and alternate strategies. Frankly all that is what makes Doom awesome, and it's immensely core to the character.

Losing that loses you Doom, which loses you the majority of the allure of an FF story IMO. Honestly that's what killed the original FF movie for me, and when the second was announced to be about the Silver Surfer, I presumed Doom wouldn't be in it and still haven't seen it. (I later learned he was in it, but that nothing of value was missed by not seeing it.)

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Orthos is 100% correct in his assessment of all things FF and Doomlike. :)


I actually like the FF. When the writer really has a handle on them, the chemistry is very good. The whole family/super team thing can work very well.
It's harder to handle than most team books, since you can't shake it up by changing the roster - at least not so easily.

Not that Doom isn't awesome himself, but the FF can be pretty cool. The original Lee/Kirby stories. Byrne's run. Even James Robinson's current version, though I wish he hadn't gone with the "FF break up" plot to start with.

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thejeff wrote:
since you can't shake it up by changing the roster

Sure you can. Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider

:P


Kthulhu wrote:
thejeff wrote:
since you can't shake it up by changing the roster

Sure you can. Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider

:P

Yeah, it's been done. "Not so easily", as I said.

And the real team always comes back.


Kthulhu wrote:
thejeff wrote:
since you can't shake it up by changing the roster

Sure you can. Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider

:P

This actually sounds like a rather fun combination. Though Wolvey is a bit overused at the moment IMO.

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Orthos wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
thejeff wrote:
since you can't shake it up by changing the roster

Sure you can. Spidey, Wolverine, Hulk, and Ghost Rider

:P

This actually sounds like a rather fun combination. Though Wolvey is a bit overused at the moment IMO.

It almost sounds like the Secret Defenders line up.

Which with the upcoming Dr Strange film in phase three, a Defenders film done by Marvel is not impossible.


actually...they already announced The Defenders for Netflix, as a team up of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones following those characters respective series. Not sure if Dr. Strange will show up, although it sounds like they are going with a major actor, so might be hard to use him in a Netflix series.

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Isn't wowing wolverine dead?

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