Temporal Celerity revelation and coup de grace

[Adacanavar]

I need to know if a character with temporal celerity can be coup de graced in there sleep. There is an argument from a player that the ability to act in the surprise round means that a sleeping character cannot be coup de graced because the action itself would be the surprise round. I do not think of it that way because coup de grace takes a full round action so you could not do it as part of a surprise round by the rules which state you can only take a half action in the surprise round. So does a coup de grace action start a surprise round or is it the surprise round??? In other words if a character successfully sneaks into a sleeping Orc encampment and coup de graces the Orc chief who survives the action waking him up is it now the surprise round? or was the coup de grace the surprise round and every acts in initiative order?

[Matthew Downie]

I don't think 'able to act in the surprise round' means that you instantly recover from conditions that would otherwise keep you from acting, like paralysis, unconsciousness or sleep.

[wraithstrike]

You can start the full round action in the surprise round, but you can not complete it because surprise rounds only allow for standard actions unless you have a special ability that lets you ignore that rule.

Short version the coup de grace would start in the surprise round and finish once normal combat started.

edit: If you are sleeping or paralyzed you do not get to act, and your helpless condition is not removed.

[Adacanavar]

wraithstrike said wrote:

you can start the full round action in the surprise round, but you can not complete it because surprise rounds only allow for standard actions unless you have a special ability that lets you ignore that rule.

Short version the coup de grace would start in the surprise round and finish once normal combat started.

edit: If you are sleeping or paralyzed you do not get to act, and your helpless condition is not removed.

Is this in the raw somewhere so i can point to it?

[wraithstrike]

Adacanavar wrote:

wraithstrike said wrote:

you can start the full round action in the surprise round, but you can not complete it because surprise rounds only allow for standard actions unless you have a special ability that lets you ignore that rule.

Short version the coup de grace would start in the surprise round and finish once normal combat started.

edit: If you are sleeping or paralyzed you do not get to act, and your helpless condition is not removed.

Is this in the raw somewhere so i can point to it?

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