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Is this for the information of the settlement - I'm absolutely in favour - or for a global rank - I'm absolutely in disfavour.
The first helps information for a settlement - the latter will give an incentive to go fighting others just for the lulz.
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Is this for the information of the settlement - I'm absolutely in favour - or for a global rank - I'm absolutely in disfavour.
The first helps information for a settlement - the latter will give an incentive to go fighting others just for the lulz.
I'm with Thod, with the caveat that it would be nice to be able to explicitly permission others to view them in a trusted fashion (such as in the event of an accusation or alliance disagreement).
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Goblin Squad Member
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I'm with Thod, with the caveat that it would be nice to be able to explicitly permission others to view them in a trusted fashion (such as in the event of an accusation or alliance disagreement).Is this for the information of the settlement - I'm absolutely in favour - or for a global rank - I'm absolutely in disfavour.
The first helps information for a settlement - the latter will give an incentive to go fighting others just for the lulz.
Screenshot - not ideal but should cover 90% of such issues. And if you don't trust a screenshot then you have other problems.
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Goblin Squad Member
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The goal is to have a record of which Companies/Settlements are actively fighting you without having to record every Character's name and then hoping you have accurate information through some other means to map Characters to Companies/Settlements, and hope that you didn't miss the fact that Nihirnon is actually a troll trying to deceive you.
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Screenshot - not ideal but should cover 90% of such issues. And if you don't trust a screenshot then you have other problems.
This was actually brought up in the discussion last night and pretty much everyone present agreed that screenshots are easily faked.
We're not trying to meet the minimum level of proof that would be required among parties that generally trust each other. We're trying to establish verifiable proof where some parties have a significant distrust of other parties.
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I thought it was decided that the easiest way to verify any shenanigans was by virtue of confirming which party controlled the tower.
If some group violates the alpha six, any number of people can probably just pass by the tower in question and see who owns it.
We may even be able to tell who owns what from mousing over the tower icons on the main or mini map.
If we are going to look at points earned, that information gets a bit muddled when you have multiple companies earning points for the same tower. Some of the companies may be earning points in defending a tower for an ally, and with no intention of controlling that tower themselves.
Who actually controls the tower is the only, independently verifiable information at our disposal (that we know of).
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Goblin Squad Member
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the problem is, taking an 'alpha 6' tower and NOT claiming it.
That both denies the original holder a tower, and leaves a 24 hr window in their face, with no current means of ascertaining whodunnit if no one happend to be there for the 'flip' from controlled to uncontrolled.
One cure would be automatic claiming, i.e. if a sponsored company captures a tower then their settlement just gets it added to their list.
Now, if this were, say, Shadowbane, we'd have tracking resources like:
- a character inspection page listing all companies joined by the character in chronological order; their last 5 kills; their last 20 or so 'killed by' names
- a list of all companies (ever) in the game, and their sponsoring settlements (if any) in chronological order
- for WotT, a list of towers by hex #, showing all flips/captures, chronologically by company (if any); and their current PVP window.
With all of those you could puzzle out the culprits in most shenanigans.
ps
I'll be streaming on twitch, so you'll know if it was me ;p
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I thought it was decided that the easiest way to verify any shenanigans was by virtue of confirming which party controlled the tower.
Yes, that's what we decided in last night's meeting. I'm asking the devs for this because I think it would be useful in any diplomatic efforts we undertake, not because it's required in order to implement the policies we talked about last night.
Who actually controls the tower is the only, independently verifiable information at our disposal (that we know of).
Yes, this is the point I kept making last night.
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@ Pino
That is too much info and not conducive the work of Assassins, nor mercenary groups who's employers might want to keep their deals and actions clandestine.
The only info that should be publicly viewable is your character name and their reputation color. If individual players are willing to toggle more information (ie company, settlement, nation, etc) that is an individual choice.
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- a character inspection page listing all companies joined by the character in chronological order; their last 5 kills; their last 20 or so 'killed by' namesAnything we can do, however, to negate the arrival in PFO of EVE's killboards will be wonderful.
Well, 'last 5 kills' on 'character inspection' =/= 'every kill on a public board'. Besides, bragging about K/D ratio is a mouse squeaking compared to towns burning down.
The systems I describe make it much harder for people to renew their behaviours of betrayal under an innocent tag.@ Bluddwolf : Well it worked fine in a consequence free, full looting pvp sandbox of player seiges for years, why not in PFO ?
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- a character inspection page listing all companies joined by the character in chronological order; their last 5 kills; their last 20 or so 'killed by' namesAnything we can do, however, to negate the arrival in PFO of EVE's killboards will be wonderful.
If Goblinworks makes the data available, the way CCP does, then someone will recreate killboards. If Goblinworks doesn't release the data, then killboards based on self-reporting won't be reliable, and they probably won't thrive.
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Goblin Squad Member
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The kill boards in EvE have grown beyond kill ratio, which is completely meaningless in comparison to Isk Destroyed vs. Isk Loss.
Last I checked I had 10 kills vs 6 losses (not including pods), which may not sound very impressive until you look at my Isk ratio. I had a 46:1 ratio in Isk Destroyed to Isk Loss.
I had looted about 50 mil isk vs having lost a bit of 4 mil isk in ships.
If PFO could have such a system of comparing loot stolen vs. equipment loss, I'd be for it. We in the UNC have discussed actually building our rank structure around "Top Earners".
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Heh. Yeah. I'm not going to detail out my many measures of victory so that my opponents can prepare for them but KvD is the most meaningless. If I rush you naked and die 20 times but manage to kill you and inflict 2000 gold of gear loss on the 21st try then who really won?
The group that accomplished their goals at the end of the day. If your goal is to loot more than you lose, and someone else's goal is to control a poi, it's entirely possible that both of you will win, or neither.