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Benefit: You can ride creatures of your size category, although encumbrance or other factors might limit how you can use this ability.
Normal: Typically a mount suited for you is at least one size category larger than you.
As a paladin, your divine bond mount must be at least one size category larger than you starting at 1st level. If you’re a Medium PC, your mount must be Large. If you’re a Small PC, your mount must be at least Medium. You may only select a mount from the listed mounts on page 63 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook unless another source grants access to additional creature choices. As a cavalier, you may select a mount from those listed on page 33 of the Advanced Player's Guide. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source.
Currently, the Undersized mount feat won't work for paladins and cavaliers (for whom the feat was probably intended) because of the PFS rules about mount sizes. Can PFS characters with the mount class feature taking this feat get mounts of their size category anyway?
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I don't know, I would assume this is a case of specific (the feat) over general (the FAQ), and the text of the feat seems to work just fine in that regard.
You must take a mount one size larger from a certain list. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source.
The feat is a "legal source" that allows smaller mounts to be viable.
Maybe that is just my "Common Sense" tingling, which I know doesn't always actually get applied to the rules.
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The feat works fine. If you encounter a mount that is your size, you can ride it. Just because you can't select a mount that is your size as an animal companion doesn't mean the feat doesn't work. If you're human and have the feat, and there's a Halfling Cavalier in the party, and for some reason you need to ride their medium wolf, you can. If you purchase a size medium mundane mount, you can ride it. If you cast Enlarge Person on yourself, you can still ride your Large Horse. So the feat works fine. It may not be as useful as it could be, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
There is nothing in the feat that says anything about what mounts are available to choose with a class feature. The feat is entirely about the mechanics of riding a mount of your size and has nothing to say or do with where that mount comes from.
The FAQ does say what mounts you can choose, so until that is updated or another clarification made, Paladins and Cavaliers are limited to choosing mounts one size larger than them.
I've hit FAQ as well, because this is something that probably could use some clarification or alteration of the FAQ.
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The feat works fine. If you encounter a mount that is your size, you can ride it. Just because you can't select a mount that is your size as an animal companion doesn't mean the feat doesn't work.
I'm ok with the idea that this feat doesn't work, but this is just rules lawyering trying to justify closing the trap on a player. The circumstances you're talking about are so ridiculously contrived as to be no different, at all, from never working.
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The feat works fine. If you encounter a mount that is your size, you can ride it. Just because you can't select a mount that is your size as an animal companion doesn't mean the feat doesn't work.I'm ok with the idea that this feat doesn't work, but this is just rules lawyering trying to justify closing the trap on a player. The circumstances you're talking about are so ridiculously contrived as to be no different, at all, from never working.
That's not what I'm trying to do at all. The feat was created independent of PFS, and on it's own, it does exactly what it says it does. In a non-PFS setting, it gives no additional access to mounts. The GM can give approval for additional choices, but the feat doesn't do that.
Maybe a better example would be a Druid or Ranger with a medium animal companion. For them, the feat works fine and is an option in PFS.
The PFS FAQ was written without the existence of this feat taken into account. So it currently limits the choices of mounts for Cavaliers and Paladins.
I am agreeing with you that there needs to be another look taken at the PFS FAQ now that this feat is available. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a rule that says if a Cavalier or Paladin has Undersized Mount, then they can select a mount their size or larger. Until there is, though, there's nothing in the feat that changes the FAQ. I'm not trying to trap a player, and if someone running a Cavalier or Paladin wanted to select this feat, I'd point out the potential issue and suggest they wait for clarification before doing so.
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It's also worth asking what the ultimate appearance of the revision to the FAQ would look like. Is someone here lobbying to expand the list of paladin and cavalier mounts? If so, what would that final list look like? Would it need to be a newly customized list? Would it just be a carte blanche "Hey, if it's big enough, you can select it?"
Or, are we looking at just removing the size limitations so long as such a character has the capacity to use the creature as a mount; that wouldn't expand the list at all, but it would allow Medium PCs to choose the pony, wolf, dog, and boar as options with the Undersized Mount feat.
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It's also worth asking what the ultimate appearance of the revision to the FAQ would look like. Is someone here lobbying to expand the list of paladin and cavalier mounts? If so, what would that final list look like? Would it need to be a newly customized list? Would it just be a carte blanche "Hey, if it's big enough, you can select it?"
Or, are we looking at just removing the size limitations so long as such a character has the capacity to use the creature as a mount; that wouldn't expand the list at all, but it would allow Medium PCs to choose the pony, wolf, dog, and boar as options with the Undersized Mount feat.
I think the second option is the way to go. Apparently the cavalier was designed with a somewhat conservative selection of mounts in mind; you need an archetype to ride dinosaurs or tigers. So carte blanche isn't on the menu it would seem.
I do hope the FAQ is amended to allow medium characters to take medium mount ACs, because one of the big arguments against medium cavaliers is the space use of the mount. Many dungeons have tight corridors, and Narrow Frame isn't everything.
A second thing is that currently small characters get to ride dogs, wolves and boars, while medium characters just get to ride horses and camels. Personally I think the small characters get cooler mounts.
I'm not sure this is a fully satisfactory solution though; even if a human is allowed to ride a wolf, he'll still squish the wolf due to encumbrance. Since animals don't get such slots by default, it's not exactly trivial to hook up the mount with muleback cords or a heavyload belt.
I'm a bit disappointed in this feat. It works for druids riding dinosaurs with high strength (and hunters), and it just might work for rangers, but for the signature mounted classes it doesn't really do anything, just gives them a moment of false hope.
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I don't think that revising the faq would be neccesary. A board post clarifying that the specific case of having this feat overrides the general restriction but ONLY for the size limitations would do it. If you were to revise the faq..
You may only select a mount from the listed mounts on page 63 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook unless another source grants access to additional creature choices. As a cavalier, you may select a mount from those listed on page 33 of the Advanced Player's Guide. No additional mounts are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play except when granted from another legal source.