In the ACG book (and both versions of the play test), three classes Classes have Archetypes that were already there. The Brawler (Fighter UC), the Savage Skald (Bard APG) and Swashbuckler (Rogue APG).
All have similar abilities to their counter parts. I really thought that the names would eventually be changed when the book came out. After all, why would they keep names like that. They never did this before.
Only the Swashbuckler class can make a multiclass from the rogue (Swashbuckler/Swashbuckler) and that would be crazy.
The books have only been out to the public for a week but does anyone have an idea why Paizo would let something like this go through the play test and out the door so to speak?
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There's also an Investigator Rogue archetype.
And it's not new. Both the Gunslinger and Bard have Buccaneer archetypes.
Frankly just doesn't seem like a big deal.
edit: Oh and both the Shaman and Witch have Witch Doctor archetypes.
There's several Buccaneers already, the Winter Witch archetype and PrC, it's just something that happens. I mean, I'd much rather have two swashbucklers than "Fancy stabby pirate" and "Sneaky stabby pirate"
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I am very upset that this had nothing to do with cats.
Tons of Classes, tons of Archetypes and many of them with the same or similar names. Are we going to have to use a spreadsheet to tell everything apart?
There are more of these same name classes on the horizon.
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Frankly, I'd like to see more reuse of names rather than the designers always having to hit the thesaurus to find a different name for a class archetype ("I really want a pirate archetype for wizard, but buccaneer, pirate, corsair... all these are taken! What else can I find? How about... filibuster!")
I would be perfectly happy with Wizard Pirate, Rogue Pirate, Fighter Pirate, Barbarian Pirate as archetypes (to continue the example). All of them describe the sort of character I want, with mechanical variations to account for the different classes.
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Tons of Classes, tons of Archetypes and many of them with the same or similar names. Are we going to have to use a spreadsheet to tell everything apart?
There are more of these same name classes on the horizon.
If you think a spreadsheet would help you by all means go for it!
Personally I don't think it's that hard to keep track of them (or look them up on the handy dandy d20pfsrd if you don't remember it offhand).
I also agree with Cthulhudrew. Both regarding variety not being that important (Because at some point you're either pulling names out your ass or not making more archetypes) and that we should have more pirates in Pathfinder.
Some one clawed for a cat...
I went up a level when I went down a level and then I gained a level so I can now cast new spells on the party.
The other party members are a brawler 3/brawler 3 in brawling armor, and a beast rider with beast rider(he can ride a pterodactyl!)
I am saying that this is kind of a long standing problem in the system, and it is also a long standing problem with Paizo. Since they have continued to add to this confusion (the brawler/brawler thing), I am going to guess they aren't going to change anything.
Also, aren't the new ACG classes allowed to multiclass with parent classes now? It does come with a warning that they will not allow redundant abilities to stack (such as nimble for swashbucklers and gunslingers), which does seem like it would help prevent some silliness.
Someone is just upset because bards have dervish dancer, dervish of the dawn & dawnflower dervish archetypes. Some people might even confuse the bard archetype dervish dancer with the feat dervish dance or the dervish of the dawn bard archetype with the dervish of the dawn fighter archetype.
really complaining about reusing names in the ACG is silly, just be glad there isn't another dervish in there.
...2 of those archetypes you named at the start are actually the same, but d20pfsrd.com had to rename the entry to the 'of' one because copywrite issues.
If I am remembering any of this right, at least. Oh, and the fighter archetype is also actually Dawnflower Dervish.
So....yeah.......no confusion.
right, Dawnflower Dervish for the fighter (and the bard) archetype. Like I said, we should just be glad the ACG didn't introduce another 'dervish' class or archetype.
Now Introducing- The Dervishflower Dawner (of). Its gets to apply its comeliness stat to damage rolls made with nets. The net also count as an unarmed strike for the purposes of pummeling style and dragon style.
....and I wonder how many little ticks I caused some of the more rule lawyer-y types out there. I want you to REALLY think about what those mechanics above would mean.
Well there is also the dervish dance feat, the dervish dancer bard archetype, the dawnflower dervish bard archetype and the dawnflower dervish fighter archetype.
On the winter witch archetype and the winter witch PrC, i think that this was done on purpose (seeing how in order to enter the PrC you need to be of the specific archetype).
Well there is also the dervish dance feat, the dervish dancer bard archetype, the dawnflower dervish bard archetype and the dawnflower dervish fighter archetype.
On the winter witch archetype and the winter witch PrC, i think that this was done on purpose (seeing how in order to enter the PrC you need to be of the specific archetype).
And the aldori swordlord fighter is a decent enough vehicle for taking the aldori swordlord prc.
Of, and lets not forget the dawnflower dissident prc as well, since Sarenrae needs more similarly named, scimitar wielding followers (admittedly, I don't blame the developers for making so much for her- she is the easiest to work with, since she is the 'try to help people, defeat evil, don't be a jerk' god)
After all, why would they keep names like that. They never did this before.
Before, there wasn't such a huge crowd of classes and archetypes.
As Paizo makes more and more classes and more and more archetypes, it's no surprise that they have to start double or triple dipping names.
When the Core Rulebook was published, there were eleven base classes that would need distinguishing names. Now there's hundreds.
I'm ok with repeats. A name is important for indicating the thematic intent, and it is very possible to stretch too far when trying to be original. Thesaurus.com is a good way to accomplish that. Listing the initials of the source or the publisher name is sufficient enough to clear things up.
Somebody say something about catcalls?
Ok ok ok guys, the Kitty is in the house xD
Well, I see I'm not going to change any minds. I see a problem no one else sees. There's a good chance that my group would agree with me.
The only reason for the CATS title was NAMES (if you didn't get it ;) and odd titles tends to catch the eye.
Thanks for the responses.