Strangler Archetype-Sneak Attack

[rhesus_pieces]

I searched to see if this had come up with anybody yet, but it seems that it hasn't been asked yet.

How does strangle from the Brawler (Strangler archetype) work with other sources of sneak attack damage?

Let's say we had a Brawler 2/1 Rogue with the strangler and snakebite striker archetypes. When he chooses to inflict damage during the grapple, will he deal 2d6 or 4d6 damage (assume that sneak attack would not be applied if the strangler ability doesn't come into play). How does the Strangle feat work with this?

My guess is that the way that this works is that a grapple is initiated. Next round the grapple is maintained and the option is to deal damage. So the damage would be 1d3+2d6 and then the feat adds 2d6 as a swift action.

What happens if I pin the creature? Would I pin and deal 2d6? Would the next round I deal 1d3+4d6 if I chose to deal damage?

[Iron Giant]

I've asked myself the same questions.
Looking carefully at the wording of Snakebite Striker: "If she gets a sneak attack bonus from another source, the bonuses on damage stack."

That sounds like the bonuses stack for a normal sneak attack and on a grapple sneak attack. If they didn't want the damage to stack, then they should have called the strangler damage "precision damage". After all, nothing in the strangler description allows the strangler to do a normal sneak attack, so the phrase isn't necessary if it doesn't stack as far as I can discern.

It's worth noting though that not all other sneak attack abilities have the sneak attack stacking phrase. The rogue/ninja including archetypes don't appear to have the phrase, nor does Slayer. AFAIK, that only leaves the vivisectionist for stacking, which isn't PFS legal, so the designers are probably less concerned if it can be abused.

[Aydin D'Ampfer]

Necro for great justice. I have happened upon this thread twice now looking for relevent answers, and I just have to sort this out. My apologies.

rhesus_pieces wrote:

I searched to see if this had come up with anybody yet, but it seems that it hasn't been asked yet.

How does strangle from the Brawler (Strangler archetype) work with other sources of sneak attack damage?

Let's say we had a Brawler 2/1 Rogue with the strangler and snakebite striker archetypes. When he chooses to inflict damage during the grapple, will he deal 2d6 or 4d6 damage (assume that sneak attack would not be applied if the strangler ability doesn't come into play). How does the Strangle feat work with this?

Emphasis mine. These archetypes cannot be stacked, as they both alter the class skills. How they alter them is not relevent for PFS, unfortunately. This means you would have either a Brawler(Strangler) 2/Rogue 1, or Brawler(Snakebite Striker) 2/Rogue 1.

With the first, there would be 3d6 Sneak Attack dice in the mix, and with the second, there would be 2d6 Sneak Attack dice.

As to the question at hand (or that was at hand), I agree that the stacking language in the Strangle Ability would suggest that the Devs wanted the Strangler to be able to combine Sneak Attack Classes. So in the Strangler/Rogue's case, it would be Base Damage + 3d6 Sneak Attack on a Grapple for Damage, and 3d6 more if Strangler(the feat) was used.

[Chris Lambertz]

Removed a series of posts. Don't resurrect older threads just for the sake of arguing. Thanks!