Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed
Yeah, that's why I held off on posting it for two hours. Then I thought, "Eh, might as well post it anyway, who knows what the story'll be by the end of the day."
Why does the St. Louis PD keep changing their story about the killing of VonDerrit Myers?
Why does the St. Louis PD keep changing their story about the killing of VonDerrit Myers?Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed
Yeah, that's why I held off on posting it for two hours. Then I thought, "Eh, might as well post it anyway, who knows what the story'll be by the end of the day."
One thing is clear in every account of the story; at some point the officer loses sight of the guy he was chasing. VonDerrit Myers was probably the first person who looked similar (read: racist cop saw a young black "thug") and assumed it was him. The other guy probably had a hoodie, and probably did shoot at the cop. When the cop realized it wasn't the same guy he rubbed GSR all over his hands from the cops own covered hands.
I'm pleasantly surprised they're still having demonstrations.
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Dance protest outside police station and cop stomps protestors outside gas station
Also from Vice
Roundup of recent police actions I like how the NYPD ones are of robbing and beating defenseless people, and the Michigan one is of a cop helping. [shakes head] F*$%ing NYPD
Say what you will about Ferguson, but linking arms and standing your ground in front of those cops takes massive courage!
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Cornel West Arrested in Ferguson
I really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
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I don't see why half the shiznit I see on the news is news.
But, my understanding is that civil disobedience isn't really effective if nobody notices.
It's Cornell west. Kinda what he does.
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And when he does, there will be Comrade Anklebiter, linking it somewhere on Paizo OTD.
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Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
I think if you view it in the context of the civil rights movement, it might make more sense to you. That might also be why this appears under the "black voices" part of the Huff Post. A black man standing up to white cops is sadly still very relevant in this day and age.
Generally protests only get attention when they are violent or include property destruction. The other option is celebrities, especially if they are arrested. Otherwise, it rarely attracts mainstream media attention.
Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.
I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested. The story there isn't the handfull of asshats who don't matter in the grand scheme of things getting themselves arrested, it is in the hundreds of peacefully protesting people. The fact that one of these people is well known for getting arrested doesn't matter.
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Live free or die!
You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested. The story there isn't the handfull of asshats who don't matter in the grand scheme of things getting themselves arrested, it is in the hundreds of peacefully protesting people. The fact that one of these people is well known for getting arrested doesn't matter.I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
Cornel West isn't an asshat.
Interesting commentary about the police behaviour and media treatment of a riot in a different (geographically and racially) area.
Thank you very, very much for this.
Cornel West isn't an asshat.You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested. The story there isn't the handfull of asshats who don't matter in the grand scheme of things getting themselves arrested, it is in the hundreds of peacefully protesting people. The fact that one of these people is well known for getting arrested doesn't matter.I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
Agreed. He's just nutty.
]You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested.
What law exactly did he violate?
Knowing Cornell West, laws against good taste re: clothing.
Knocked Down: Cornel West Arrested During Ferguson Protests
Michael Brown Protesters March to Ferguson Police Department
Apparently, he led a march to the police department and was then knocked down when the protesters tried to break through the police lines.
What a f*@#ing nutter.
He was trampled? That's not right.
You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested. The story there isn't the handfull of asshats who don't matter in the grand scheme of things getting themselves arrested, it is in the hundreds of peacefully protesting people. The fact that one of these people is well known for getting arrested doesn't matter.I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.
You make a lot of claims and assumptions in this post. By your post, it doesn't even seem like you know WHY he was arrested.
It also seems like you completely miss what the concept of civil disobedience is.
Anti gun democrat senator arrested, while carrying a gun and drunk, causing trouble at the protest. hypocrite.
Who is this guy? I need to know do I can laugh him out of the party.
Live...from Ferguson...it's revolutionary socialism!
Socialist Alternative: The Whole System is Guilty: How Socialists Fight Systemic Racism
Heaven knows that I hate the Democrats and gun control, but...
Those anti-gun bills?
"The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action has dubbed several pieces of legislation sponsored by Nasheed “anti-gun,” including an amendment that would require gun owners to report a firearm stolen within 72 hours.
"Nasheed also reportedly pushed for a bill that would have required any 'parent or guardian of a child who attends a public, private, or charter school shall notify, in writing, the superintendent of the school district, or the governing body of a private school or charter school, that such parent or guardian owns a firearm within thirty calendar days' of enrollment."
I linked to The Blaze because it was one of the few far right websites I could find that didn't refer to Senator Nasheed as "a lynch mob ho" or some other disgusting slur.
One of those websites did, however, have a link to something called Vote Smart which appears to detail her anti-gun voting record. Looks like she voted against school employees being able to carry on school property; stand your ground; prohibiting federal enforcement of firearms regulation; something about state employees being able to keep guns in their cars.
Just the results of some cursory--and, I stress, cursory--googling, and, again, I hate the Dems and gun control, but unless there's something I'm missing, her "anti-gunness" seems a little overblown.
You have hundreds or thousands of protesters, most of whom are peaceful and not violating the law. One (or I believe a total of 17 IIRC) guy desides to go out and intentionally violate the law so he gets arrested. The story there isn't the handfull of asshats who don't matter in the grand scheme of things getting themselves arrested, it is in the hundreds of peacefully protesting people. The fact that one of these people is well known for getting arrested doesn't matter.I'm kind of curious exactly what about this situation you think isn't news worthy.Cornel West Arrested in FergusonI really don't see how a guy going out to get arrested at a protest getting arrested is news.You make a lot of claims and assumptions in this post. By your post, it doesn't even seem like you know WHY he was arrested.
It also seems like you completely miss what the concept of civil disobedience is.
According to the reports I saw, he was arrested with a small group for failure to disperse after the vast majority of the protest he was with dispersed. He talked about intentionally going out to get arrested. That pretty much defines a+%~~$+ in my book.
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The reports you saw are at variance with the ones I saw. Any links?
Also, do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was an asshat?
The reports you saw are at variance with the ones I saw. Any links?
Also, do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was an asshat?
And Rosa Parks. And Emma Goldman. And like a bazillion other people.
Relevant change has never been gotten without people consciously breaking the law. When it's even nonviolent crimes it's just idiotic to talk about them as "asshats" - unless it's their cause, like "stop police from shooting unarmed kids", you are against.
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I guess that's what I was trying to say, Comrade Jeff, just not so directly.
Down with gun control!, btw.
I have a very ambivalent mind on gun control.
[Refrains from launching a gun control derail]
I haven't been able to find the full speech that Brother West gave at the Interfaith meeting, but Mr. Comrade, I guess, watched it somewhere and basically, according to Mr. Comrade:
Church leaders said all the stuff that church leaders say. Young people in the audience were like, "This is bullshiznit!" Brother West took the mic and said "I know, I know. We have failed you. Tomorrow we're going to do some Moral Monday shiznit. I didn't come here to give a speech, I came here to get arrested."
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More cursory googling: Cornell West: Q&A on Ferguson Arrest
The reports you saw are at variance with the ones I saw. Any links?
Also, do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was an asshat?
And Rosa Parks. And Emma Goldman. And like a bazillion other people.
Relevant change has never been gotten without people consciously breaking the law. When it's even nonviolent crimes it's just idiotic to talk about them as "asshats" - unless it's their cause, like "stop police from shooting unarmed kids", you are against.
Not having heard of Emma Goldman before, but looking at her wikipedia page now, I wouldn't say the label is inappropriate for someone who supported assassination.
In Rosa Parks's initial confrontation she did not travel with the intent to get arrested in a distant protest.
Lots of people are asshats.
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No, Rosa just travelled across town with the intent to get arrested in a local protest.
More cursory googling:
Activists Smell Publicity Stunt As State Senator Arrested at Ferguson Protest Monday Night
Although, the page keeps freezing and I've only been able to read half of it.
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The reports you saw are at variance with the ones I saw. Any links?
Also, do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was an asshat?
And Rosa Parks. And Emma Goldman. And like a bazillion other people.
Relevant change has never been gotten without people consciously breaking the law. When it's even nonviolent crimes it's just idiotic to talk about them as "asshats" - unless it's their cause, like "stop police from shooting unarmed kids", you are against.
Not having heard of Emma Goldman before, but looking at her wikipedia page now, I wouldn't say the label is inappropriate for someone who supported assassination.
In Rosa Parks's initial confrontation she did not travel with the intent to get arrested in a distant protest.
Lots of people are asshats.
Yes, she did.
Some facts about her arrest:
1) She was the secretary of the Montgomery NAACP
2) She attended the Highlander Folk School, a training center for activists
3) Parks' own words
People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in.
4) Other similar refusal's to move had been committed, with the intention to press law suits to force change through the courts.
5) Prior to her incident it was believed that the specifics of her attempt would be the most likely to succeed in a court case (it wasn't).The point of civil disobedience, when protesting what a person thinks is an unjust law, is to force legal action by the state to highlight that the law is unjust.
Cornel West wanted to go into the police headquarters and arrange a meeting with the Ferguson police chief. He wasn't charged with refusal to disperse. He was charged with assaulting a police officer. Why? Because he wanted to walk past the police line to go talk to the police chief.
[sarcasm] You're right, it's Cornel West who is the asshat, not the police.[/sarcasm]
The reports you saw are at variance with the ones I saw. Any links?
Also, do you think Martin Luther King, Jr. was an asshat?
And Rosa Parks. And Emma Goldman. And like a bazillion other people.
Relevant change has never been gotten without people consciously breaking the law. When it's even nonviolent crimes it's just idiotic to talk about them as "asshats" - unless it's their cause, like "stop police from shooting unarmed kids", you are against.
Not having heard of Emma Goldman before, but looking at her wikipedia page now, I wouldn't say the label is inappropriate for someone who supported assassination.
In Rosa Parks's initial confrontation she did not travel with the intent to get arrested in a distant protest.
Lots of people are asshats.
Yes, she did.
Some facts about her arrest:
1) She was the secretary of the Montgomery NAACP
2) She attended the Highlander Folk School, a training center for activists
3) Parks' own wordsPeople always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in.4) Other similar refusal's to move had been committed, with the intention to press law suits to force change through the courts.
5) Prior to her incident it was believed that the specifics of her attempt would be the most likely to succeed in a court case (it wasn't).The point of civil disobedience, when protesting what a person thinks is an unjust law, is to force legal action by the state to highlight that the law is unjust.
Cornel West wanted to go into the police headquarters and arrange a meeting with the Ferguson police chief. He wasn't charged with refusal to disperse. He was charged with assaulting a police officer. Why? Because he wanted to walk past the police line to go talk to the police chief.
[sarcasm] You're right, it's Cornel West who is the asshat, not the police.[/sarcasm]
Thanks for educating me on Rosa Parks. (not sarcasm) Schools do a really s#$+ty job at teaching anything about her.
As for West, your account is significantly different from the early reporting on it. It actually answers my initial question - "why should I care?" It doesn't change the fact that he is an asshat - he went to a set of protests with the intention of causing a scene and getting arrested. It just shows that the police are also even bigger asshats than I thought (which is actually difficult here).
As Krensky says, asshattery is not mutually exclusive. In fact, they have a way of multiplying themselves.
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You basically just defined protesting. You are now saying that ALL protests are just a~+!+~#s, regardless of what they're protesting. Protesting is showing up and causing a scene to call attention to an issue.
Do you think that police brutality, corruption and abuse of power is something we should accept quietly? Or do you think people should stand up to them and call attention to their wrong doings?
The other aspect of what he did is help lend his voice to what other people were already doing. He didn't start that protest or was the sole organizer. He showed up to lend his voice and credentials, to show support for the locals and help magnify their cause.
Some random guy gets arrested in a protest in Ferguson, it just gets lumped in with the numbers. Cornel West, a former Harvard professor gets arrested, you get additional art and column space nationally, helping maintain a higher profile for the situation.
Really what I get from you is that the people of Ferguson should shut up and accept their lot in life. That people outside of Ferguson should stop thinking about the topic and let it go away. That's what I get from you when you say "this isn't newsworthy". You might not intend that, but that's how it comes across.
You basically just defined protesting. You are now saying that ALL protests are just a%!!*+&s, regardless of what they're protesting. Protesting is showing up and causing a scene to call attention to an issue.
Do you think that police brutality, corruption and abuse of power is something we should accept quietly? Or do you think people should stand up to them and call attention to their wrong doings?
The other aspect of what he did is help lend his voice to what other people were already doing. He didn't start that protest or was the sole organizer. He showed up to lend his voice and credentials, to show support for the locals and help magnify their cause.
Some random guy gets arrested in a protest in Ferguson, it just gets lumped in with the numbers. Cornel West, a former Harvard professor gets arrested, you get additional art and column space nationally, helping maintain a higher profile for the situation.
Really what I get from you is that the people of Ferguson should shut up and accept their lot in life. That people outside of Ferguson should stop thinking about the topic and let it go away. That's what I get from you when you say "this isn't newsworthy". You might not intend that, but that's how it comes across.
The vast majority of protesters did not go there with the intent of being arrested. Thousands of people showed up. A couple dozen got arrested. That one of those guys is remotely famous is not special news, any more than the dozens of other people getting arrested is news. That he went specifically to get arrested is what makes him a jerk.
I'm all for them protesting. I love the fact that they are going to public venues like baseball games to disrupt normal life. That should be front and center headlines. One guy in the protest, even if famous, is filler.
You basically just defined protesting. You are now saying that ALL protests are just a%!!*+&s, regardless of what they're protesting. Protesting is showing up and causing a scene to call attention to an issue.
Do you think that police brutality, corruption and abuse of power is something we should accept quietly? Or do you think people should stand up to them and call attention to their wrong doings?
The other aspect of what he did is help lend his voice to what other people were already doing. He didn't start that protest or was the sole organizer. He showed up to lend his voice and credentials, to show support for the locals and help magnify their cause.
Some random guy gets arrested in a protest in Ferguson, it just gets lumped in with the numbers. Cornel West, a former Harvard professor gets arrested, you get additional art and column space nationally, helping maintain a higher profile for the situation.
Really what I get from you is that the people of Ferguson should shut up and accept their lot in life. That people outside of Ferguson should stop thinking about the topic and let it go away. That's what I get from you when you say "this isn't newsworthy". You might not intend that, but that's how it comes across.
The vast majority of protesters did not go there with the intent of being arrested. Thousands of people showed up. A couple dozen got arrested. That one of those guys is remotely famous is not special news, any more than the dozens of other people getting arrested is news. That he went specifically to get arrested is what makes him a jerk.
I'm all for them protesting. I love the fact that they are going to public venues like baseball games to disrupt normal life. That should be front and center headlines. One guy in the protest, even if famous, is filler.
You're right, most people didn't go there to get arrested. They can't afford the court fines, time off work, having the black mark on their record, etc. Cornel West doesn't have to worry about not getting jobs because of his arrest record, he has a body of work that is known and people who know that will know why he got arrested.
Being arrested serves to highlight what is wrong. It proves a willingness to endure hardship that lends credence to what is being said. He isn't some Johnny-come-lately, he has a career talking about these issues, studying these issues and standing behind the things he says.
Seriously, if you think this isn't worth paying attention to, then just walk away. No need to chime in and talk down about people who are struggling to bring attention to the problems they have to endure.