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Spoilers for GoT S4 E8 in this thread.
I have just seen the episode and if you have you will know what I am talking about.
How do we make his weapon style in PF?
I imagine it can be done with the Swashbuckler class, with maybe a house rule which allows a spear to be included in Swashbuckler's Finesse.
It fits otherwise. Light armour, he uses Dazzling Display. He also clearly uses a lot of Panache. It's a classic high Dex and stratospheric Cha build.
Maybe a bit of Monk for that Wushu stuff? Nothing else about Oberyn is at all monastic though.
Thoughts? I know GoT is low magic and doesn't translate to PF easily, but if one wanted to make a PC who used that same sweeeet fighting style, could it be done?
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On a serious note, i dont think he needs anything too fantastical.
I saw dodge, mobility and dazzling display there, pretty much.
He had high dex and a reach weapon, and played it to keep his opponent away from him.
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May want to consider Spear Dancer.
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He would pretty much have to be a Swashbuckler, with some way of finagling his class features to be usable with a Longspear. This is pure speculation, but there may be a two-handed archetype for the Swashbuckler when the book is released. It'd be cool to have Dex-based duelists that use spears, or the bastard swords that fencers used before rapiers became popular.
May want to consider Spear Dancer.
Is there a way to make dazzle more debilitating? I guess you could use Dirty Trick Master, but no one in ASOIAF is level 11.
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the best way to do it would be to begin writing feats such as mobility and dazzling display on a character sheet
then, I walk up and savagely crumple the sheet up into an unrecognizable ball of horror while your significant other shrieks desolately in the background
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He was a dex fighter who wasn't able to out DPR a strength fighter, no special rules needed.
He actually outdamaged the strength fighter but probably showed his 8 wisdom at the end of the fight for not completing it!
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He was a dex fighter who wasn't able to out DPR a strength fighter, no special rules needed.He actually outdamaged the strength fighter but probably showed his 8 wisdom at the end of the fight for not completing it!
I think he dumped to 7. :-(
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He was a dex fighter who wasn't able to out DPR a strength fighter, no special rules needed.He actually outdamaged the strength fighter but probably showed his 8 wisdom at the end of the fight for not completing it!
Yup, he won. Wis dump made him come back and lose to hubris. The Mountain's silly Barbarian negative HP rage power gave him a last shot once he walked back into range. Orc Ferocity or a similar trait.
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Ninja 2/Swashbuckler 3+. Uses Dodging Panache + Reach (he probably has Lunge, making his reach even greater) to good effect to avoid full attacks, and Ki for extra attacks, aiding his DPR quite a bit (and to have Poison Use). Combat Expertise would definitely be on his Feat list, but so would Power Attack, and probably Furious Focus.
Just give him a Feat that lets him treat a spear as a one-handed weapon for Swashbuckler class features and call it good, really. Though, given his really nice stats, high point-buy or the Advanced simple Template is likely also necessary.
The Mountain, on the other hand, is an Ogrekin Fighter/Barbarian, and much tougher than even Oberyn realized.
I was already considering making a character based on Oberyn for Wrath of the Righteous, but after last night's episode, it's decided. I was reminded of how upset I was when he died in the books.
The Red Viper must live again.
Why not make a fighter based on the winner? :)
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Since I regularly play in the same group as hrothdane, I may have to roll up the mountain now
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Athaleon's flat-footed CMD comment seems right on, but it was RP that got him killed. Vengeance and all.
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He is a rogue / fighter / monk.
But - he won only due to poison .
Some how the mountain lost his save....
Than, with rage giving him ability to move - he grapples the flat footed and greater grapple him as a lock maneuver .
I saw nothing in the show that indicated he used poison, did I miss something?
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I saw nothing in the show that indicated he used poison, did I miss something?He is a rogue / fighter / monk.
But - he won only due to poison .
Some how the mountain lost his save....
Than, with rage giving him ability to move - he grapples the flat footed and greater grapple him as a lock maneuver .
It's in the books. Also there are brief scenes of squires rubbing down the spearhead with what looks like an oily rag.
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I saw nothing in the show that indicated he used poison, did I miss something?He is a rogue / fighter / monk.
But - he won only due to poison .
Some how the mountain lost his save....
Than, with rage giving him ability to move - he grapples the flat footed and greater grapple him as a lock maneuver .
It'll come up in a bit. He didn't win due to it, though, he won the fight mostly on his own merits, then lost it due to arrogance...but the Mountain's screwed anyway because of the poison.
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I thought the Mountain died right after killing Oberyn. It looked like he rolled over and stopped breathing....
Yeahh... just wait till next week. It gets.. interesting.
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I thought the Mountain died right after killing Oberyn. It looked like he rolled over and stopped breathing....Not precisely. At least not if they stick to the books.
There is too much sheer awesome in
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Why not make a fighter based on the winner? :)I was already considering making a character based on Oberyn for Wrath of the Righteous, but after last night's episode, it's decided. I was reminded of how upset I was when he died in the books.
The Red Viper must live again.
In the words of Treize Khushrenada, "I want to be a loser."
Also, the world doesn't need yet another human 2-handed sword fighter/barbarian with dumped mental stats.
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One of those revenge oriented story feats or traits too
Why not make a fighter based on the winner? :)I was already considering making a character based on Oberyn for Wrath of the Righteous, but after last night's episode, it's decided. I was reminded of how upset I was when he died in the books.
The Red Viper must live again.
The winner, in actuality, was Qyburn, who is more of an alchemist >;D
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The winner, in actuality, was Qyburn, who is more of an alchemist >;DWhy not make a fighter based on the winner? :)I was already considering making a character based on Oberyn for Wrath of the Righteous, but after last night's episode, it's decided. I was reminded of how upset I was when he died in the books.
The Red Viper must live again.
The alchemist, Paizo's favorite class for BBEG's. My PFS magus has gotten to the point where he assumes that alchemists are evil until proven otherwise.
Qyburn + The Mountain could make a fun boss fight, actually.
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Also, the world doesn't need yet another human 2-handed sword fighter/barbarian with dumped mental stats.
Did you just reference John Cena whilst on a Hulk Hogan parody account...
If he'd outdamaged the strength fighter Tyrion would've been set free. You don't win until the fight is over.He was a dex fighter who wasn't able to out DPR a strength fighter, no special rules needed.He actually outdamaged the strength fighter but probably showed his 8 wisdom at the end of the fight for not completing it!
Are you implying that somehow oberyn has more hit points then the mountain?
Assuming they are of the same level (I Imagine ASoIF as an E6 world) there is little question that the mountain has more Con and is likely a barbarian. I am pretty sure oberyn had to do more damage to bring the mountain to staggered (damn die hard feat) then the mountain needed to kill oberyn
You may want to give him a Flaw to represent his weak eyes... :)
If you did a one handed Spear for his weapon, you wouldn't need to homebrew anything to make him a Swashbuckler. I was totally planning that. He did more fighting defensively in my opinion rather than using reach, with his acrobatics giving him the extra AC.
I do like the idea of giving him some Ninja levels...
I have seen duelist builds using a trident as a one-handed piercing weapon (switching to two-handed for extra PA bonuses). Swashbucklers do sort of the same thing as a single class, but a bit more focused. Alternatively, you can probably do okayish with a simple fighter build such as a lore warden: he is a very capable combatant who knows how to fit his fighting style to his enemy and can avoid many attacks through a good defense and some acrobatics. A lore warden build would probably focus more on combat maneuvers due to maneuver mastery, but both are possible representations.
I do think the Red Vyper merits a SA die or two, though. Also, he's got to have poison use pretty much from his earlier levels. Just sayin'.
Oberyn as a monk? Mountain as a barbarian? Really? Did you watch the series? Or read the books?
Both are fighters, period. Maybe Oberyn has some levels in rogue or alchemist for his background in poisons and at The Citadel, but nothing else.
And I agree that he was caught flat-footed and CMD'ed/grappled/pinned to coup-de-grace.
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Oberyn as a monk? Mountain as a barbarian? Really? Did you watch the series? Or read the books?
Yes. Doesn't mean we agree with you on things.
Both are fighters, period. Maybe Oberyn has some levels in rogue or alchemist for his background in poisons and at The Citadel, but nothing else.
Oberyn does nothing Fighter-y at any point. Swashbuckler all the way, man. Plus some Ninja for skills and poison use, anyway.
And the Mountain clearly has some Fighter levels, but given his psychotic rages and general toughness, some Barbarian also seems appropriate.
And I agree that he was caught flat-footed and CMD'ed/grappled/pinned to coup-de-grace.
Agreed.
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Who knew you could do a bluff check based off of constitution.
hmm, I'd say he's got a level of assassin for poison use, and then maybe fighter with a Youxia archetype package(from super genius)? fighter to get tons of feats, and Youxia for Wushu(mostly just CMD from wielding his spear). He seemed to have good defense and CMD and then just nicked him (note in books I believe his spear was poisoned) and stayed back, so maybe someone who uses combat expertise with poison.
meanwhile I'd say the mountain used power attack a lot to his disadvantage.