Alright, I am pretty sure I know how multiclassing works, but if someone feels like going into detail on that, I have no problem with that.
My DM is doing the equivalent of an Epic Campaign, one where he plans on shaping our characters into the lore and eventually hitting lvl 20 and whatever comes after that.
He said he would allow Gestalting. I read a little bit about it: you get the high BAB, Saves, HD, all that good jazz. Also, from what I was told, both classes level at the same time whenever you level (IE: When a gestalted Monk/Sorcerer goes from lvl 1 > lvl 2, he is now considered a Lvl 2 Monk and a lvl 2 sorcerer).
I was also told you take the positives and negatives of both classes, but I honestly find gestalting to only be helpful at this point.
Now, here is my questions: My DM approved my character to be Half-Celestial, Half-Human (with some minor nerfs, of course). I then showed him the Godling 3rd Party Class, and he approved of me using that as well.
The Godling class allows you to pick either Adept (balanced), Clever (more rogue or bard), Eldritch (more sorcerer or wizard), or Mighty (more barbarian, fighter or paladin). It also allows you to multiclass with other versions of Godling, with the limit that you cannot multiclass with a certain one (IE: Clever cannot multiclass with Mighty).
I'm making a Mighty Godling. Is there anything in the rules that prevents me from multiclassing with Adept Godling, and also Gestalting with Martial Artist or Monk?
Alright, I am pretty sure I know how multiclassing works, but if someone feels like going into detail on that, I have no problem with that.
My DM is doing the equivalent of an Epic Campaign, one where he plans on shaping our characters into the lore and eventually hitting lvl 20 and whatever comes after that.
He said he would allow Gestalting. I read a little bit about it: you get the high BAB, Saves, HD, all that good jazz. Also, from what I was told, both classes level at the same time whenever you level (IE: When a gestalted Monk/Sorcerer goes from lvl 1 > lvl 2, he is now considered a Lvl 2 Monk and a lvl 2 sorcerer).
This is correct
I was also told you take the positives and negatives of both classes, but I honestly find gestalting to only be helpful at this point.
It can be unhelpful if you combine the wrong classes with the wrong options. For instance, an armor master fighter with a wizard wouldnt work very well because the wizard still cant cast his spells in armor. Or a druid couldnt wear fullplate. Stuff like that is probably what he meant by negatives.
Now, here is my questions: My DM approved my character to be Half-Celestial, Half-Human (with some minor nerfs, of course). I then showed him the Godling 3rd Party Class, and he approved of me using that as well.
The Godling class allows you to pick either Adept (balanced), Clever (more rogue or bard), Eldritch (more sorcerer or wizard), or Mighty (more barbarian, fighter or paladin). It also allows you to multiclass with other versions of Godling, with the limit that you cannot multiclass with a certain one (IE: Clever cannot multiclass with Mighty).
I'm making a Mighty Godling. Is there anything in the rules that prevents me from multiclassing with Adept Godling, and also Gestalting with Martial Artist or Monk?
Nothing except the adept godling is a spellcaster. And in general you dont want to multiclass spellcasters. Because if you go mighty godling 5/adept godling 5, your mighty godling has a lower bab, and fewer combat abilities, and your adept godling is only a 5th level caster (whereas your party members will be 10th level casters).
I would strongly advise AGAINST multiclassing in a gestalt game, and even in pathfinder in general (they have sort of made taking a single class 1-20 the most beneficial route with all the scaling bonuses each class gets).
If anything I would gestalt might and adept godling, and multiclass on the mighty godling class (martial characters lose less when multiclassing since their bab and whatnot will still stack).
Nothing except the adept godling is a spellcaster. And in general you dont want to multiclass spellcasters. Because if you go mighty...
"Eldritch godlings are even more steeped in mystic power than adept godlings." Straight from here -> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/eldrit ch-godling
Also, maybe I'm just confused, but I think maybe you are: It says that a Mighty Godling can multiclass with either a Adept or Eldritch Godling. If what you are saying is possible, then you are saying I could gestalt (instead of multiclass) both Might and Adept Godling. This would, instead of making me mighty 5/adept 5 at 10th level, I would be mighty 10/adept 10 at 10th level.
So, in other words, making a gestalt class replaces multiclassing? So that means I couldn't go mighty 5/adept 5/monk 10? That would make sense, I'm just curious.
Also, as for picking more than one Godling, my character will be fighting in Unarmed, H2H combat. Therefore, I feel that I should have Monk or Martial Artist, or some other class that works in H2H.
Also, would gestalting get around not being able to multiclass clever with mighty?
Gestalt means your character is 2 classes at once, they level up 2 classes of your choice every time it levels. Saying the GM will "allow" gestalt characters is confusing to me. Either you are playing a game where everyone is gestalt or no one is.
Multi-classing is completely different. This means that when you level you simply pick a class you haven't picked before and level up in it.
When you play a spell caster you don't want to multi-class because it lowers your spellcasting ability compared to someone who continues the full casting class. So, if you gestalt and multi-class you want to keep your spellcasting class as a full class and multi-class your non spell casting class.
If you go mighty/adept (I assume adept is a spell caster) and at level 6 decide you want to go monk, then stop your progression in mighty opposed to adept. At level 10 you would be Adept 10/mighty 5/monk 5.
In our playgroup, we don't allow multiclassing and gestalt in the same game. It just gets too off the chart.
Also, would gestalting get around not being able to multiclass clever with mighty?
Well if the game is non standard enough to be doing templates, gestalt and 3rd Party material, I'm sure that isn't a real issue. :D
I say this with fondness as that describes my own games.
I am currently running a Gestalt Mighty/Eldritch Godling. What makes that really nice is that magic an Eldritch Godling uses is described as being from yourself (rather than ambient magic or from a God). One of the benefits is you never have to make concentration checks - so huge benefit for a melee/spellslinger combo.
Another fun bit - there is a feat (IIRC) that lets you pick 2 other Godling classes, and you are treating as a memeber of those classes for purposes of prerequisites. If you gestalt Mighty/Eldtrich, then taking that lets you take any feat, class abilties and such as if you were an Adept or Clever as well. Nothing in the Godling books is beyond you.
Of course in the game I play it we are also Mythic. So a Mythic Godling/Godling Gestalt. Fun, but way over the top.
very ture. There are many reasons for multi-classing even as a full caster and ways to do it effectively. In general it's not recommended without using a specific strategy to do so.
Effectively, for my gestalt campaigns, we treat gestalt as taking two level 20 progressions and taking the same rules. This means that you could have Sorc 10/Monk 10 on one side, and Wizard 20 on the other side. That's at least how we handle multiclassing.
Nothing except the adept godling is a spellcaster. And in general you dont want to multiclass spellcasters. Because if you go mighty..."Eldritch godlings are even more steeped in mystic power than adept godlings." Straight from here -> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/eldrit ch-godling
Also, maybe I'm just confused, but I think maybe you are: It says that a Mighty Godling can multiclass with either a Adept or Eldritch Godling. If what you are saying is possible, then you are saying I could gestalt (instead of multiclass) both Might and Adept Godling. This would, instead of making me mighty 5/adept 5 at 10th level, I would be mighty 10/adept 10 at 10th level.
So, in other words, making a gestalt class replaces multiclassing? So that means I couldn't go mighty 5/adept 5/monk 10? That would make sense, I'm just curious.
I am not saying you CANT mutliclass. I am saying it isnt a great idea with casters in general unless you have a very specific strategy to make it workable. You certainly CAN do mighty 5 / adept 5/ monk 10 for a 10th level gestalt character. I am simply recommending you consider not doing that because mutliclassing caster characters almost always represents a significant loss of effectiveness, and in a gestalt game, everything is ramped up in power (most likely).
Also, as for picking more than one Godling, my character will be fighting in Unarmed, H2H combat. Therefore, I feel that I should have Monk or Martial Artist, or some other class that works in H2H.
If you want to go unarmed combat, monk is among the better options here. Though if you are permitted the brawler for the advanced class guide playtest might be a better fit.
My concern is for the other side of your 'build tree'. If you want godling, go godling. I am just recommending you are going either adept, or mighty, and not multiclassing. Both those classes have lots of level dependent abilities that wouldnt advance if you multiclass.
Also, would gestalting get around not being able to multiclass clever with mighty?
No, you cannot gestalt classes that cant multiclass. For instance, you cant gestalt fighter/fighter, or wizard/wizard. So though there is no explicate rule for it (gestalt never had to make a ruling on godlings) I wouldnt allow it at my table.
I am still not sure what you are hoping to accomplish with multiclassing though. Is there a reason you want to do it? You already are gestalting, what do you feel you arent able to do with 2 full classes?
Gestalt + multiclassing gets really weird if you take levels in X-Y, then take levels in Y-Z. Y's contribution ends up being altered depending on whether a particular level of Y was gestalted with X or with Z. It's a huge mess.
A lot of games forbid having the same class in two different gestalt class combinations on the same character to avoid these problems. In that case, after taking levels in X-Y, you could only gain ability in X or Y by taking more levels of X-Y. If you wanted to multiclass, it'd have to be in some Z-W; Y-Z would be out.