First of all, I'd like to give a big, warm congratulations to T7V for shooting up the Guild Landrush Leaderboards today. Well done. You really showed Pax Aeternum & Golgatha that you're not afraid to smack them.
OTOH, I wish to offer my sincere condolences to TEO, who, (while still remaining #1) have lost roughly the same amount of backers. My sincerest regrets.
But again, big congratulations to T7V on your victory over PAX. Way to show them who's in charge. :-)
Dude, what are you talking about? We haven't lost any votes, we've gone up, and gone up consistently.
Of course. ;)
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I hope whomever this is, it is not a representative of my group, or my community.
I do not like unfounded or unproven accusations. It is wrong to do so regardless of the target.
I do not stand behind the OP, and I want to make that stance abundantly clear.
We have traded no votes to TSV. If that can be proven, I'd like to see evidence.Dude, what are you talking about? We haven't lost any votes, we've gone up, and gone up consistently.Of course. ;)
WHOA WHOA! Nobody said you were trading votes... That came out of left-field. No need to go on defense here. I merely wanted to offer Congratulations to T7V, and my condolences to TEO in one thread, that's all. :-) Interesting you would bring up "trading votes". Still, quite a slap in the face to PAX amirite?
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This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
You're quick to write this off. It's good to see such trust exists between TEO/T7V, and the Empire of Xellias. I'm sure they won't use such trust to their advantage. They're the good guys, afterall. Just ask Andius...
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You're quick to write this off. It's good to see such trust exists between TEO/T7V, and the Empire of Xellias. I'm sure they won't use such trust to their advantage. They're the good guys, afterall. Just ask Andius...This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
Off with thee before Old Buurz hex you!
<takes a swig of mead>
<stomps her feet>
AZLIAN MARDIAZ MASSICA!
<cackles>
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You're quick to write this off. It's good to see such trust exists between TEO/T7V, and the Empire of Xellias. I'm sure they won't use such trust to their advantage. They're the good guys, afterall. Just ask Andius...This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
Off with thee before Old Buurz hex you!
<takes a swig of mead>
<stomps her feet>
AZLIAN MARDIAZ MASSICA!
<cackles>
Even my light can not save you now Sir Xal. May you find peace...
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We have had enough drama on these forums. If you have concerns then find evidence before you accuse upstanding members of this community.
Lets not start pointing fingers over every g!! d#&n tiny little issue regardless of the validity or relevance of those, perceived or not.
If you have evidence that indicates TEO has been doing something nefarious I would be delighted to see it, until that time please hush and leave things well enough alone. God knows this community has seen enough unmitigated and targeted hatred these last days.
We have had enough drama on these forums. If you have concerns then find evidence before you accuse upstanding members of this community.
Lets not start pointing fingers over every g%~ d+~n tiny little issue regardless of the validity or relevance of those, perceived or not.
Yes, of course. I'm sure Nihimon wasn't bitter about losing his "Golgatha War" against Aeternum and Golgatha, and WASN'T looking for a way to slap PAX in the face for it.
Nihimon is nothing if not trustworthy. Am I right?
This was posted by TEO's own Alexander Damocles today:
Not three of THOSE votes, Nihimon.I see many people saying this, but it doesn't make sense to me.
It seemed very, very clear to me that Pax Morbis was saying "If we change our policy and abide by Request #3, we will lose a net total of 2 votes". That only makes sense to me, reading the quote, if he's saying "5 people are changing their votes, 3 because we've already decided comply with Request #2, and 2 if we later decide to comply with Request #3".
As I said, I'm very willing to entertain alternate explanations, but they need to make sense to me, and I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I had hoped that Pax Morbis himself would explain precisely what he was trying to say in that quote. I don't really care if he does, though.
I'm as tired of this as everyone else and could care less if no one ever posts on it again.
Had they not had their understanding of the request clarified, they would have been up by 2 votes.
At this point, I trust Pax more than I trust you. And that grieves me.
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This was posted by "He Who Shall Not Be Named" On May 23rd:
I’m troubled by what I am seeing with the Pax Gaming organization. It seems unfair to give them two settlements as they are one “guild.” And what I’m seeing in their public forms, does not give credit to them being separate organizations. What I see is a majority of Golgotha’s applicants come from Aeternum and Fidelus, judging by their own rosters, unless those are not kept up to date.
In Ryan’s statement, The three winners were explicitly asked not to participate in the 2nd land rush. At very least, every new Pax member that plans to live in Aeternum, should only vote for Aeternum. From what I can tell, the other two winners are doing exactly this.
This is from the announcement Ryan Made:
”Ryan Dancey” wrote:
The last question we got involves members of a winning Phase I guild who did not vote in the Phase I poll. Technically, these people are free to participate in the Phase II promotion by affiliating themselves with another guild. The temptation to use this exception as a way to create a shadow guild to snag two (or more) spots in the Land Rush will be high, and we strongly urge you not to do so. If you don't plan to play as a member of another guild, we'd ask that you just not participate in Phase II of the land rush.
This is a quote from Pax’s own public forums, from a Pax staff member:Quote:
I believe if you have not voted in the first Land Rush for Aeternum, the plan would be to have you vote for Golgotha so as to help that division procure the settlement spot it desires.
This was among other statements instructing members of Pax that did not vote in the first landrush, to apply for Golgotha.And Lee’s later statement about voting for the guild you want to win, was directed at unaffiliated players. Not a tool for large organizations to influence the competition. Which also goes against what Ryan said in the bolded section above.
Is Pax Golgotha a separate guild and should they get a settlement?
No, Pax is one “guild” for the purpose of this competition. If the organization has a singular leader, they are one guild. If Golgotha and Aeternum had completely separate relationships, and no single entity could dictate change, they would be two separate guilds. Also they all use a “Pax” prefix here, which gives more support to them being one guild.
While what they are doing does not break the “don't switch your vote if you won in Phase 1” rule, it goes against the spirit of the competition. Pax should not be able to take another slot, it is unfair to the guild that comes in 31st place.
While Goblinworks is at fault for not organizing or explaining the first Land Rush well, Golgotha joined Pax and gave them their votes. They decided to join Pax instead of going for their own settlement, I do not see them as being entitled to go for a settlement now. The Second Land Rush should not be treated as a second chance. They made their decision, they should stick with it.
In that same thread, this is what Nihimon (who's a different person entirely) posted:
TEO and T7V are both trying to get friendlies into positions near their settlements by helping them with votes? I could have sworn I hear that somewhere...
Yes, we are! Please see Roseblood Accord.
If you're friendly, and think you can play well with The Empyrean Order, The Seventh Veil, Keepers of the Circle, Dagedai Alliance, and Forgeholm, we encourage you to settle near us in the southeast mountains.
[Edit] We're "helping them with votes" by adding our voices to their recruitment efforts. We're also recruiting new folks to T7V and have made it very clear to each of them that they should not vote for anyone else in the Land Rush. Why can't anyone ever post threads from our forums... *huff*
... We see here that an accusation is denied. The same accusation I'm making here. Can we trust Nihimon's denial? Andius recently said that Nihimon backstabbed him. They were friends for quite some time, no?
Hey PAX: If you feel a warm, yellow stream running down your cheeks, don't look up. You may see Nihimon relieving himself from his newly attained heights.
I think Pax, TSV, and TEO should take turns taking the OP behind the woodshed.
Dont make this dirty Gayme0n. We're all just talking this out here. No need to make it X-Rated.
*Looms out from behind tiny, tiny shrubbery*
*Looks left*
*Looks right*
*Sinks back behind tiny, tiny shrubbery*
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By all means, if you have some proof of wrong-doing or issues with TEO do please bring it forward to myself or Lifedragn. We'll happily address it and make amends if someone has been slighted or anyone wronged.
I can say with full confidence from my knowledge everyone in TEO has voted for TEO and those are accounted for in the Land Rush currently. It hasn't dipped or decreased at all, so uncertain where that line of reasoning is coming from.
Agent #413, return to the compound at once. The Order has need of you elsewhere.
Alright, they didn't do anything wrong. If you say so.
I guess it's not hard to pull one over on PAX. Fair enough.
WHAT?! IT IS SO!
WHY YOU LITTLE DEGNARBED RAGGERMAFFIN
CHAAAAARGE
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You're quick to write this off. It's good to see such trust exists between TEO/T7V, and the Empire of Xellias. I'm sure they won't use such trust to their advantage. They're the good guys, afterall. Just ask Andius...This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
Please do not include UNC members in your allegations. Andius was not involved in any major way (I don't recall even one post) with the most recent train wreck of a threadnught. He can not speak to what is being alleged via innuendo here now.
Being that your account was created specifically for this thread, your opinions are nothing but background noise.
I ask the all UNC members avoid this thread. There is nothing to be gained by it.
You're quick to write this off. It's good to see such trust exists between TEO/T7V, and the Empire of Xellias. I'm sure they won't use such trust to their advantage. They're the good guys, afterall. Just ask Andius...This is exactly the kind of baiting and pot stirring we do not need, and I would say that regardless of what guild/group I was in.
T7V and TEO have many good people in their ranks (you just heard from one of their best). Neither of these groups deserve a backhanded compliment, and that done only as a means of insulting a third party. This sort of forum chumming is exactly what we don't need and I hope other community members tell you as much.
Please do not include UNC members in your allegations. Andius was not involved in any major way (I don't recall even one post) with the most recent train wreck of a threadnught. He can not speak to what is being alleged via innuendo here now.
Being that your account was created specifically for this thread, your opinions are nothing but background noise.
I ask the all UNC members avoid this thread. There is nothing to be gained by it.
I'm not a member of UNC, or any company affiliated with the newly-formed Northern Coalition. Just someone who holds dear the Truth, and wishes to spread it to my friends here on the forums. :-) Take it as you will.
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I'm unsure what allegations are being made here. I am not the only TEO members to leave but the amount that left were not significant. I don't expect they will be until TEO /TSV are called upon to actually defend the new graveyard they bought with my victory.
The claims I've made of TSV/TEO's lack of principles have been bold and outright. If you have an accusation let's hear it plainly. Otherwise please do not envoke my name.
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What would be the point for TEO and TSV to trade votes. Both won in the initial landrush and therefor have no need to try to win a settlement.
As for TSV reaching the 2nd spot on the Landrush chart. A lot of new people have joined TSV as well as several Charter Companies deciding to call Phaeros home.
Hmm... and I just checked the Leaderboard. Golgotha just reclaimed 2nd spot.
P.S. This is only the 1st week. I suspect things will be going back and forth the entire 10 weeks.
What would be the point for TEO and TSV to trade votes. Both won in the initial landrush and therefor have no need to try to win a settlement.
As for TSV reaching the 2nd spot on the Landrush chart. A lot of new people have joined TSV as well as several Charter Companies deciding to call Phaeros home.
Hmm... and I just checked the Leaderboard. Golgotha just reclaimed 2nd spot.
P.S. This is only the 1st week. I suspect things will be going back and forth the entire 10 weeks.
As far as your initial question, I think you answered it yourself. I'm loyal to TEO, ... for now.
I second Proxima's motion!
I second Proxima's motion!
Thirded. I've said my piece, now let's make peace.
Edit: I still hate T7V though, and can't wait for us (TEO) to leave the Roseblood Accord. OK, I said it. Now I'm done.
Remember, guys, don't bump this thread.
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This man has legitimate concerns, and I am pleased he had the courage to speak them even though everyone else will bash on him because he is different.
I don't always make points out of trolls, but when I do I make sure to bumpity bump the bumping bump bumpers bumping.
Also, apple pie is glorious.
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This man has legitimate concerns, and I am pleased he had the courage to speak them even though everyone else will bash on him because he is different.
I might feel the same way if he didn't proceed to troll for negative reactions out of as diverse a cast as he could whilst voicing concerns and immediately afterward.
Also, shame on you for bumping the bad thread! ;)
Also, apple pie is glorious.
You make a very important point here Zael. Apple pie is the bomb.
P.S: I'd like to post this to remind everyone NOT to continue bumping this thread. OK.
