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Huh.....

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I had heard mention the show runners might be setting up the Court of Owls (which I don't know much about). Looks like they're going with the Order of St. Dumas instead. Maybe we'll get to see an Azrael.

There's the Bruce Wayne I was expecting. And he finally got under Selina's skin and discomfited her. That was awesome.

Alfred almost gave psycho-b$#+! what for.

Damn! Theo got skillz. Mad skillz.

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Almost forgot.....

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I loved the whole name of the Wayne's killer being M. Malone.


Aberzombie wrote:

Almost forgot.....

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Haven't seen last night's episode yet, but yeah, that's cool.

Would have preferred Joe Chilton, though, aka Joe Chill.

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So Lil Brucie grows a spine. Nice. I loved it.


Yay! I've not watched it yet, but I can't wait to see Bruce's spine grow in. ^_____^


Good episode. Makes the whole "Secret order of ancient monks that exist because f&&! you" thing slightly more palatable (the Dumas didn't turn into religious nuts, they just indoctrinated some schmoes so they'd have an absolutely loyal army of pain immune cultists).


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Nice. The guy who was "Lazlo Soot" (Tommy Flanagan) in the Smokin' Aces films is 'Tom'.

Why didn't the coppers slip on a pair of galoshes before slogging through the sewers. *facepalm*

GREAT to see Bruce's spine, in spades. Silver's lucky he left her alive.

For an Old guy, Alfred remains pretty capable. Would've loved to see him boot the psycho-byotch out a window.

Gordon's fixing to get booted off the force .. oh, stunners. Zip ties, that's some decent quality suck.

AZ's right, Theo does have some skills.

Looking forward to next Monday's episode.

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Turin the Mad wrote:

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Looking forward to next Monday's episode.

Turin, the reality is that old guys are still guys. And girls probably average at least 100 pounds less than most guys these days. Physics cannot be altered by political correctness, I'm afraid... ;)


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:

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Looking forward to next Monday's episode.

Turin, the reality is that old guys are still guys. And girls probably average at least 100 pounds less than most guys these days. Physics cannot be altered by political correctness, I'm afraid... ;)

All the more reason Alfred should've booted her butt through the glass. ;)

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Hmmmm……

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While I’m glad to see the Galavan story come to an end, his death was completely out of character for Jim Gordon. I almost wanted to turn off the TV right then and there. I may just drop the show if they continue his moral devolution this way.

For a bunch of non-pain feeling martial artists, those monks sure did get their asses handed to them.

I ended up fast forwarding through most of the parts with Silver and Bruce in the cell. I did catch the part about him saying his favorite animal was an owl. Interesting. And I liked when he was walking out with Selina and Alfred at the end and said he they needn’t have helped because he had his own escape plan.

Leslie pregnant with Jim’s kid – WTF?!?

Teases for Hugo Strange and Victor Fries. Nice.

I’m liking Lucius more and more. Can’t wait to see more of him.

And it looks like Nygma’s cat is out the bag. Now they at least know he was in cahoots with Penguin.

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Did everybody catch Fish floating in Professor Strange's stasis tank?

I hope that was tongue in cheek more than anything else, she should not come back (because I don't think Gotham will make it to season 5 anyways).

I did like that you see Penguin grab the umbrella and uses it but your not sure what he is doing with it until you see Galavan.


Aberzombie wrote:

Hmmmm……

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I think Gordon did what he had to do. He knew Galavan would walk and more innocent people would be killed, including himself. He learned a hard lesson from that Flamingo character.

"Leslie pregnant with Jim’s kid – WTF?!?" The two actors are a couple in real life and she's now pregnant in real life as well. I think they thought it would be better to add it to the show instead of dropping her or only showing her from the neck up for the next 9 months or so.

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EXXXXCELLENT....

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How is Gordon going to convince Leslie to name their daughter Barbara?


So like...

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Now that Gordon is a cold-blooded Murderer, will future Batman have to arrest him?

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Did I blink and miss the point of Helzinger's character? He seems to have done nothing but beat up Gordon and then wandered off to a bar. Kind of lame for a hand-picked cohort, even if he was always meant to be temporary.

Oh my god, they really did kinda forget him. Now that Galavan-arc is over, they did not show him again did they?

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Hey, new episode! At long last, or something. Gotham continues to be something of a roller coast of a show. Some parts I like, some parts I reeaaalllyy don't like.

Though in this new episode I really liked BD Wong as Hugo Strange. Really creepy and oozing that evil genius type of smartiness. If that's a word.

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Did he have a deep enough voice?

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Hama wrote:
Did he have a deep enough voice?

More like "Soft Spoken Sadist" kinda voice. It works, since BD is quite short and not near as bulky as Hugo is in comics and other media. He has unnerving gaze though, and really sounds like someone whose position and station gives him a right to be cruel and oppressive. Smooth talker, though.


He's doing a pretty good Hugo Strange, yeah. Not much on the look, besides the outfit (which he really PULLS OFF, hot damn), but I never liked how insanely buff he seemed for a shut-in psychologist anyway.

The Mr. Freeze stuff was...okay. They already had great material to work with, and I'm liking the actor, but it seems like they're already petering out on it. If the next episode is any good we'll know.

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And the beard. Don't forget the beard.


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Did they clone bruce wayne at the end there?


@BigNorseWolf - It seems they did...but when?

Also: between scenes at Arkham and the bus crash, how many classic Batman villains have been tentatively identified? I only got Killer Croc and Mad Hatter.

Also also: wow, I barely tolerated Fish Mooney in the first season. I felt like she was being shoved down the viewers' throats as a badass we all needed to respect; I couldn't see that the character doing anything to earn our respect.

Fish 2.0 - takes the badass up a level, and does earn some of it, but it was too late for me, I already hated the character, I was glad she got taken out.

Fish 3.0 - Oh, for Pete's sake! She's back and has superpowers?!? Will no one rid me of this troublesome wannabe crime lord?


DNA isn't hard to come by, and if you're working for his company and you know he's on your trail killing him and replacing him seems like a contingency you may need to plan for.

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I hope Mad Hatter wasn't one of Dr. Strange's created. His backstory explains his crazy so well already there's no need to brainwash him into it. (though I did read the producers confirmed Mad Hatter for S3.)


JoelF847 wrote:
I hope Mad Hatter wasn't one of Dr. Strange's created. His backstory explains his crazy so well already there's no need to brainwash him into it. (though I did read the producers confirmed Mad Hatter for S3.)

Last night's episode had a brief visual of an Arkham inmate in a suitably styled hat, and a few weeks back Strange selected Alice in Wonderland as a good source for a "story" for one of his resurrected stiffs, before Fish came back with an intact memory.

It seems like they want to use Strange to explain the more bizarre "future classic" villains, even if they're never introduced on the show. Jerome was looking like an obvious proto-Joker until he got killed...now we know that's not an impedement.

Fresh corpse/resurrected amnesiac/given a "story" goes a long way toward explaining some of the weird manias and motifs a lot of them have.


The joker laughed as the monsters got off the bus, so I think its safe to say Jerome is wandering the streets of Gotham once again. Who was the girl monster with the close-up....anyone know?


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So... I just heard Fish is back. It seems dropping the series was indeed the right choice.


Damon Griffin wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
I hope Mad Hatter wasn't one of Dr. Strange's created. His backstory explains his crazy so well already there's no need to brainwash him into it. (though I did read the producers confirmed Mad Hatter for S3.)

Last night's episode had a brief visual of an Arkham inmate in a suitably styled hat, and a few weeks back Strange selected Alice in Wonderland as a good source for a "story" for one of his resurrected stiffs, before Fish came back with an intact memory.

It seems like they want to use Strange to explain the more bizarre "future classic" villains, even if they're never introduced on the show. Jerome was looking like an obvious proto-Joker until he got killed...now we know that's not an impedement.

Fresh corpse/resurrected amnesiac/given a "story" goes a long way toward explaining some of the weird manias and motifs a lot of them have.

It was a really weird way to go... but I think I LIKE there being a definitive source for all the crazy going on in Gotham. I mean... we're still 10 years early for Batman to stop it, but the idea of all these mad scientists coincidentally going mad in the same city is a BIT far fetched... and some of those old origins work better as 'an origin Strange planted in their minds...'

I at least like it better then the particle accelerator excuse in Flash

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Yeah, I'm definitely dropping the series now. Completely. Forever.


I think i like gotham better as just that kinda place where an 8 foot tall aligator person doesn't get a second look

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Anyone watch the season premier last night?

They sure introduced a lot of characters, but most I couldn't identify. Was the one guy supposed to be

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Man-Bat
? If so, lame, he should have a full origin story episode.

Also, not a fan of Gordan being able to take the villains down relatively easily - why need Batman?


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Lemmy wrote:

So... I just heard Fish is back. It seems dropping the series was indeed the right choice.

Dropped in to see if season 3 was worth picking up.

Seems I got my answer.

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Sundakan wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

So... I just heard Fish is back. It seems dropping the series was indeed the right choice.

Dropped in to see if season 3 was worth picking up.

Seems I got my answer.

I can't blame you. Not sure I would watch it at this point if it wasn't for my wife still liking the show.


I'm giving it a little more time...this premiere episode though. =/

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Netflix released Season 2, in other news. That's where I'm at, and it's pretty good!

Q: my DC knowledge being non-existent, how important is Hugo Strange to the DC universe? based on the Gotham show he looks like a pretty cool villain... (the actor is pretty cool!)

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(reading the wiki on Strange, I couldn't stop laughing after reading this: "Batman tricks two of the monsters into killing each other, and then saves himself by creating a drug that prevents any abnormal secretions from the pituitary gland.")

LOL

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I definitely support my decision to stop watching this piece of trash.

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Got it Hama. Thanks.

Now is there anyone who can tell me stuff about Hugo Strange? first, why the heck did they pick 'Strange' as his name? did he come before or after Marvel's Doctor Strange? I mean, come on...


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Got it Hama. Thanks.

Now is there anyone who can tell me stuff about Hugo Strange? first, why the heck did they pick 'Strange' as his name? did he come before or after Marvel's Doctor Strange? I mean, come on...

I don't know a lot about him, but he definitely predates Dr Strange - he was a Golden Age villain. One of the very early Batman villains. Showed up in Batman #1!

Mad scientist type - with whatever specialty/gimmick seemed good for the story at the time. Giant Monster Men are the one I remember.

How much the TV one will resemble the original version, I couldn't say.

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Well visually he does. Voice isn't deep enough though. I loved Hugo Strange in Arkham City.


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I know he gets credit as being one of the first to figure out Batman's identity through Psychology or something. I think he may have wanted to replace him or something goofy...but every time they bring him in, it involves figuring out Bruce's identity.

He was also a big player in Arkham City, arguably the best of the Arkham games.


thejeff wrote:
One of the very early Batman villains. Showed up in Detective Comics #38

Fixed it for comic history.

pre-Crisis version: Yes, recurring villain in the 40's. I think the character disappeared for several decades, reappearing in the 70's.

A 70's storyline has Strange running a private hospital for Gotham's elite, where he turns them into monsters. Bruce Wayne checked in to be treated for burns received as Batman, and Strange discovered his identity at that point. He then tried to auction that information to Gotham's top villains. That didn't work out like he planned.

post-Crisis Strange was first brought in to help a police task force capture Batman, he once again figured out Batman's identity, and he at some point he sets up a lab to turn longtime inmates of Arkham Asylum into monster men.


Of all the characters in the show, many are great, most are interesting, and nearly all have something that makes me like when they are on screen or mentioned . . . except Fish, yet she has some powerful plot armor...


I'm not a comic book person and as such know very little of the universe (I've had little interaction with the DC universe except for the corny Batman TV series as a kid and the two Tim Burton movies as a kid (really liked the movies btw) and the Nolan series when I was abit older), but I'm enjoying the series. My favorite is by far the Penguin. He's just so wonderfully unctuous, slimey and plotting. As far as I'm concerned he's my ultimate penguin, much as the Dark Knight's Joker is my ultimate joker.

Can't stand Fish Mooney though. I feel that Jada Pinkett Smith is way overacting and I don't feel the character has any power except for plot armor.

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I don't get why are they pushing Fish so much, she is universally reviled.

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Watching Season 2 now, and saw the Penguin re-awaken himself as the Penguin last night... (when he prepared 'roast' for his step mom... :P)

The actor, Robin Lord Taylor, unilaterally dominates this show. What an amazing performance so far. Wow.


Honestly, Penguin is why I keep watching. I like his entire plot threads and subplots.

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I like Gordon, Alfred and Bruce too (in descending order). But the Penguin is just the best! :)


Season 3 just hasn't been good. I think I'm about done.

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