Interesting, very interesting.
Galavan is a busy bee between torturing Congresscritters, setting up adolescent young Bruce with his daughter and running his other circus rings. One wonders if Galavan will lose a bit of control or let slip something that has Bruce voicing concerns to Gordon, or more likely Alfred figures out something isn't right in the vein of "if it's too good to be true".
A Congresscritter is not someone to mess with lightly, so I will be disappointed if that angle doesn't backfire on Galavan later on. The caveat being how dirty that Congresscritter is. If particularly dirty, said Congresscritter may go with his sources of dirt to get some payback. If reasonably clean, instead he may have a loud nightmare or thirty that his Secret Service detail picks up on and they do some digging of their own, perhaps starting with Galavan's 'pet cops', perhaps through the Fibbies.
I'm hoping that Alfred's background with what appears to be the SAS comes into play this season. Alfred seems to have a decent rapport with Lucius, one that should serve young Bruce Wayne well in this very different approach to Batman's backstory.
I can't help but draw parallels to the Dark Knight Alfred with this Alfred. They both are generally calm and dapper, but God help the fool that sets him off enough to get him to take more drastic action...
Nygma's quite the psychotic-tragic character. I think we just saw him either self-admit to Arkham or slide off the deep end into his manly persona, with presumably messy consequences.
I do hope that the latter part of the season develops the contagion of laughing maniacs...
I think Butch's conditioning broke because Galavan asked his sister if there is something they could do about that when Butch told him about it. Then Butch escapes Galavan and returns to the Penguin. They don't actually show him escape however which I think is key to the plot. This tells me they want to keep the viewer guessing. If Butch was still faithful to Penguin I believe they would have showed a scene where Butch escapes. They didn't do that...makes me believe he was let go by Galavan. Plus its early in the season and I believe the Galavan plot is suppose to run the entire length of the 2nd season.
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I watched the new episode tonight. Half-way through, I came to the realization I had missed last weeks episode completely. A few seconds after, I made the second realization that I didn't care. This show is really falling flat for me...except the parts with Nygma.
The rest of it....I don't know how much more I'll be watching.
I think this season is actually really good...except the fact that everything involving Galavan is dumb. The reactions and events he TRIGGERS are interesting (Penguin's roaring rampage of revenge and such), but he himself is a DUMB character. Like holy s&%& is he bad.
Oooo, the Riddler hits himself with a riddle? Nasty.
Penguin earns his chew toys, that's for sure.
Penguin is the best reason to watch this show. I'm with Rynjin though, the Galavan stuff is stupid.
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True...I wish Bruce wasn't even in the show honestly.
Team Galavan at least has drawn most of the cast into there orbit, except for Riddler, who continues to exist in a plotline that has nothing to do with anyone else. I will give them that at least.
But yeah...Team Galavan is impossibly smug about how EVIL and CUNNING THEY ARE, but at the same time do incredibly stupid things. Like...keeping the old Mayor alive, going out of your way to make Penguin an enemy, going out of your way to insult Selina, leaving tons of loose ends hanging around, etc.
Also anyway a little squicked out that part of Galavan's master plan involves the seduction of a 13 year old boy? yeah it's via an age appropriate proxy...but still...
Also, could they at least try to not show Bruce Wayne as a whiny idiot who's far too easily manipulated and intimidated by....everyone.
You know, this I don't mind too much. Bruce is like 10, and his only friends are a butler and a street rat who shows up once a month or so. He's grown up in luxury and isolation and has little experience with social interactions of any kind.
Silver has made herself friendly to him (a rarity, considering what we know of how he's treated by a lot of his classmates), and Galavan has likewise been friendly and given him surprisingly good fatherly advice (with a fun contrast with how HILARIOUSLY hypocritical it is sice he's currently doing the exact opposite).
He has no reason to be suspicious of them. Cat might have been able to fix that, but instead of telling him exactly what Silver said, she decided to come off like a jealous b$!%+ and shoot her own credibility down.
Well Why did Silver even need to say those things to Selina to begin with? You don't monologue to people about how evil you are and how you are up to no good, especially to people you don't know. If she was worried about Selina she could have sabotaged the Selina-Bruce relationship in more subtle ways via interactions with Bruce.
Considering Cat is like 12 it's only understandable. Plus Silver is prettier than her. Like way way way way prettier.
If you say so. At the risk of sounding creepier by comparing the relative attractiveness of underage girls, Silver has weird fish eyes and I don't like her. Selina's actress will probably be a perfect fit for Catwoman when she grows up, too.
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Well Why did Silver even need to say those things to Selina to begin with? You don't monologue to people about how evil you are and how you are up to no good, especially to people you don't know. If she was worried about Selina she could have sabotaged the Selina-Bruce relationship in more subtle ways via interactions with Bruce.
She's a kid. Probably very smug about wrapping Bruce around her finger. Although I hope that they don't go the usual crappy route and make her fall in love with him and turn coats.
If you say so. At the risk of sounding creepier by comparing the relative attractiveness of underage girls, Silver has weird fish eyes and I don't like her. Selina's actress will probably be a perfect fit for Catwoman when she grows up, too.
Hm. Well, different strokes for different folks.
Silver's the spoiled rich kid looking down on those she views as her social inferiors and she knows that she's manipulating young Bruce. She's probably going to find out the hard way about talking smack to Selina is my guess.
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Yeah...don't f&%+ with the girl who was quite ready and willing to go all Rambo on some crazy pyros when she got pissed off.
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Also, could they at least try to not show Bruce Wayne as a whiny idiot who's far too easily manipulated and intimidated by....everyone.You know, this I don't mind too much. Bruce is like 10, and his only friends are a butler and a street rat who shows up once a month or so. He's grown up in luxury and isolation and has little experience with social interactions of any kind.
Silver has made herself friendly to him (a rarity, considering what we know of how he's treated by a lot of his classmates), and Galavan has likewise been friendly and given him surprisingly good fatherly advice (with a fun contrast with how HILARIOUSLY hypocritical it is sice he's currently doing the exact opposite).
He has no reason to be suspicious of them. Cat might have been able to fix that, but instead of telling him exactly what Silver said, she decided to come off like a jealous b%@!# and shoot her own credibility down.
I think my problem is that they're basically not showing him starting to seriously begin his training as future Batman. To do that, they'd have to write him off the show as going abroad to begin his studies and training. The Bruce Wayne who became Batman would already be way more focused than this. In hindsight, it's one of the overarching problems with the show.
I think my problem is that they're basically not showing him starting to seriously begin his training as future Batman. To do that, they'd have to write him off the show as going abroad to begin his studies and training. The Bruce Wayne who became Batman would already be way more focused than this. In hindsight, it's one of the overarching problems with the show.Also, could they at least try to not show Bruce Wayne as a whiny idiot who's far too easily manipulated and intimidated by....everyone.You know, this I don't mind too much. Bruce is like 10, and his only friends are a butler and a street rat who shows up once a month or so. He's grown up in luxury and isolation and has little experience with social interactions of any kind.
Silver has made herself friendly to him (a rarity, considering what we know of how he's treated by a lot of his classmates), and Galavan has likewise been friendly and given him surprisingly good fatherly advice (with a fun contrast with how HILARIOUSLY hypocritical it is sice he's currently doing the exact opposite).
He has no reason to be suspicious of them. Cat might have been able to fix that, but instead of telling him exactly what Silver said, she decided to come off like a jealous b%@!# and shoot her own credibility down.
I really hate that they are clearly going to turn the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents into some sort of 5 year mystery (and I really belief the showrunners themselves don't know the answer to this question), which IMHO undermines the hell out Batman's backstory.
Considering Cat is like 12 it's only understandable. Plus Silver is prettier than her. Like way way way way prettier.
Well, YMMV but I'm 100% with Rynjin on this one.
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It'd be amusing to find that Bruce has been playing the Galavans all along. Unlikely, but amusing.
Penguin's actor was on TWD I found out today. His TWD character was brutally whacked in Terminus.
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Penguin's actor was on TWD I found out today. His TWD character was brutally whacked in Terminus.
Yes. He was originally introduced as one half of a couple whom Rick and Carol encounter. His fate in that episode was left unknown. He reappeared in last season's premier, only to meet a rather grisly end over the Terminus bleeding trough.
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As for tonight's episode...
At least we got to see Galavan arrested.
The characterization of Bruce Wayne continues to be extremely sub-par. That is not the young man who would grow to be Batman.
Although there are things I like about the way Nygma's story is unfolding, his portrayal as yet another homicidal murderer is not. To me, he always came across as more of an "I'm smarter than you" villain, one who found unnecessary killing to be....distasteful.
The hint of savagery in young Bruce is there. At least Bruce is smart enough to talk to Alfred. I'm really hoping Bruce grows his spine promptly. Personally, I'm betting that envelope was a set-up for a Galavan patsy, most likely Gordon.
The nasty part is Galavan's attempting to get Wayne Enterprises' goodies by using mostly-truths. Well played by Galavan.
I'm not seeing Nygma as just another homicidal nutjob, rather he is an exceptionally intelligent killer growing into his element. It isn't exactly like Gotham is beholden to much in the way of canon (I hope), making it a part of the show's appeal.
I must've missed on the part where Penguin brainwashed Barbara last season, I'll have to see if I can dig it up. She's presumably going to survive ... but you never know.
Ah, nice ... we see how Penguin and Riddler/Nygma potentially begin a fruitful relationship.
"There is no line" promises a messy next episode...
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And I never thought I'd actually want to see the hot lesbian chick killed off. Just shows how damn annoying I found Barbara to be.
** spoiler omitted **
It was the serial killer who killed cop's families if they investigated his crimes.
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I seem to recall that Flamingo character from the comics. I believe he was yet another nail in the coffin of me eventually quitting most Batman comics, because he was such an idiotic character. I don't recall whether he was a cannibal, however.
Michael Chiklis is awesome. So glad they brought his character in.
Ooooh......EEVIL stabby monks!
Bruce continues to annoy me.
Bruce continues to be an idiot, showing no promise for eventually becoming the World's Greatest Detective. Hopefully Selina dug up something that will at least cast some doubt on his view of Silver and her Uncle Theo.
Obviously Bruce survives whatever Galavan and company have planned for him, though at this point it will likely be due to overly complex planning on their part. I mean, WTF? Shoot the kid in the head and engineer a hostile takeover of Wayne Enterprises already. All this crap with Significant Daggers and groups of killer monks is just distracting and wasteful.
Dude, that never works.
The Evil Overlord's Bookstore never seems to have certain titles in stock. As if a subtle agency is working against them by not stocking the best in documented common sense ... ;)
Are you quoting that scene from Austin Powers between Dr. Evil and his son? ;)
Mmmm...not consciously, at any rate.
Shooting someone in the head, that's every night on the news.
Exactly! It's sooo commoplace, especially in Gotham, that hardly an eyebrow would be raised. Galavan could then quietly go about acquiring control of Wayne Enterprises using any preferred combination of blackmail, bribery and perfectly legal stock purchases. But noooooo, it has to be an elaborate scheme so he can show how much smarter he is than everyone else.
And it's an elaborate scheme that requires the participation of a number of allies and underlings; the more moving parts there are, the more likely something is to go wrong. Witness Bruce's last minute refusal to sell his company for an envelope, Jim Gordon's stubborn refusal to die on schedule, etc.
Theo Galavan: INT 16, WIS 6
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The whole scenario is wonky, not just Galavan's plan.
First, butler man should have called Wayne's legal counsel immediately. Not just give Wayne a hug and stand in the back letting a kid sign his family fortune away (and thus pretty much give himself a pink slip). I'm not sure if butler man is legal guardian, but I think he's just an employee based on Wayne trying to fire him in a previous episode. So, who's the legal guardian? (Wayne is a minor...) Someone needs to be there when legal decisions need to be made.
Second, Wayne should have gotten pissed here. Something like "You have knowledge of my parents' killer? thank you! thank you! GIVE! Why? you want my company for it? no, give envelope, we'll hatch a plan to bring that guy down, and you will then gain my trust... the future is bright for you if you help me... if you withhold the information, why, Sir... I'll have to think you don't have Wayne Enterprises' best interest at heart.. Sir... that would be... awful..."
First, Alfred should have called Wayne's legal counsel immediately. Not just give Wayne a hug and stand in the back letting a kid sign his family fortune away (and thus pretty much give himself a pink slip). I'm not sure if butler man is legal guardian, but I think he's just an employee based on Wayne trying to fire him in a previous episode.
Alfred did in fact become Bruce's legal guardian upon the death of his parents. Bruce can fire him as a butler, but wouldn't be able to remove him as a legal guardian without becoming an emancipated minor.
Second, Wayne should have gotten pissed here. Something like "You have knowledge of my parents' killer? thank you! thank you! GIVE! Why? you want my company for it? no, give envelope, we'll hatch a plan to bring that guy down, and you will then gain my trust... the future is bright for you if you help me... if you withhold the information, why, Sir... I'll have to think you don't have Wayne Enterprises' best interest at heart.. Sir... that would be... awful..."
Something like that, yes. Even if he didn't actually get angry, it should have raised a big red flag that the guy claiming to be his BFF had conclusive evidence pertaining to the Waynes' death and was attaching major conditions to providing it.
His plan foiled, Theo immediately destroys the information, and one episode later Bruce is telling his niece "No, of course I don't believe the bad stuff they're saying about your uncle. He's clearly a stand up guy."
Next week we'll find out if Galavan was released on some legal technicality or by the assistance of a corrupt judge. I don't know what Selina dug up, but whatever it is, if Bruce dismisses it out of hand and blows her off again, I will reach through the screen and strangle him myself. He doesn't have to completely believe her, he doesn't have to suddenly accept that Silver is bad news, he just has to stop and think about it and realize that maybe things aren't entirely as they've been presented.
Vendor - Fantasiapelit Tampere
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People it's a freaking 13 year old? What the hell do you expect from an innocent kid for god's sake?
Seconded. These events change him in to the Batman. That does not mean that he has to be super smart and cunning. He has lost his parents, has been threatened multiple times and is still very young. And he lived very care-free life before all this. One does not simply become the Bat fast.
That thing aside- I really liked this episode. Riddler & Penguin parts were fun and again highlighted those actors skills. Cory Michael Smith can totally sing. And I'm expecting great things from these gentleman in the future!
And I actually really liked Flamingo. That actor played him so well, and was terrifying. Especially the last scenes of the episode. Hrrr. I want to see him again, because there is now a nice link between Gordon and Flamingo. It's like with Batman and Joker- Batman does not kill Joker and throws him behind bars, but Joker will continue killing people. I liked that comparison. Very similar comparison (although corrupted version) was with Riddler and Penguin. Riddler says the they cannot be bargained or blackmailed- much like Batman will be behind his mask.