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Is it almost Fall 2014 yet?

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I was having my doubts, but this trailer is making me excited again!

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Yeah, the trailer looks good! I just hope it's half as good as it looks and then Fox doesn't do a Fox and cancel it after one season.


The potential is there. And at least with television, DC/WB have proven itself more than capable of success when it comes to satisfying its fan base (which can't be said of their actual comic publications of late.)

I'm not entire sold, but I'll watch it. I've never been the Batman enthusiast that other I know are so for me, the singular thing I appreciate about it so far is what I consider the brilliance in casting Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock. I think he's utterly perfect for that role.

Danubus isn't wrong though... Fox does seem to have a hard time with their science fiction shows. They tend to meddle for marketing reasons that ultimately cost them their audiences or cause them to fall short of their misaligned goals.


at first I was like omg I hope harley quinn is in this
then I realized that if she was then she would basically be a toddler or possibly even just a gleam in Mr. Quinn's eye

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Got me psyched. Can't wait, honestly.


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It'll suffer the same fate as Almost Human.

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Hey, I'd rather have a season of goodness than nothing.


Me too.

And they actually had the common decency to make at least some type of actual ending for Almost Human.

While I doubt GOTHAM will last any more than that, if they do the same thing in GOTHAM as they did for Almost Human, I'll take it. (Not so much if they end it on a lame cliffhanger, which I'm so over these days, anyways.)

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Meet the characters.

I love

a. Sean Pertwee the actor playing Alfred and that

b. he is an ex marine.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Meet the characters.

I love

a. Sean Pertwee the actor playing Alfred and that

b. he is an ex marine.

I'm waiting for the fan-service wink when he uses first aid, and says he learned it from his father, who was a Doctor.


Not really interested. Without Batman, it's just another cop show masquerading as a series of origin stories. I'd rather not see angsty preteen Bruce Wayne either. Yeesh.

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I'm willing to give it a try, but have a lot of concerns overall. The biggest is how depressing the show will be when Gotham has to get worse over time (or at least stay pretty bad) for there to be a need for Batman when Bruce gets older. Not sure I want to see a cop show where Gordon can't ever win.

If it was more like the Sopranos or something it might work better.

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Shadowborn wrote:
Not really interested. Without Batman, it's just another cop show masquerading as a series of origin stories. I'd rather not see angsty preteen Bruce Wayne either. Yeesh.

Someone has clearly not read Gotham Central, then. Go read a volume or two of that and say that again. A police procedural in Gotham City would be awesome if done right.


Misroi wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Not really interested. Without Batman, it's just another cop show masquerading as a series of origin stories. I'd rather not see angsty preteen Bruce Wayne either. Yeesh.
Someone has clearly not read Gotham Central, then. Go read a volume or two of that and say that again. A police procedural in Gotham City would be awesome if done right.

No thanks. I read Batman for the Batman. Also, I've had my fill of cop shows, no matter how well done they might be.

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Like Shadowborn, I have my doubts. I don't get how this is different than any other crime/police/detective drama out there. I like the superhero stories because of the superheroes, and all of the relevant heroes are too young to have an important role in this. I would have much preferred something like "Agents of SHIELD", a story happening in Gotham, featuring some of the minor characters from the Batman continuity, and revolving around Batman without showing him.

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Damn that looks good. Looks more inspired that that weekly drudgery that is ARROW!

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JoelF847 wrote:

Not sure I want to see a cop show where Gordon can't ever win.

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It's a format that worked for The Invaders.


LazarX wrote:


JoelF847 wrote:


Not sure I want to see a cop show where Gordon can't ever win.

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It's a format that worked for The Invaders.

Well, you definitely knew when the bad guys were dead...

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I've got mixed feelings about this.

One the one hand, I've wanted a Gotham Central TV series ever since I first heard about Gotham Central. I wanted it even more after I actually read it.

It's really cool.

Seriously, a ground-level view of Gotham and a close-up view of the men and women of the GCPD made for a damn good read. And it solidified Renee Montoya as one of my favorite comic characters long before 52 came along.

One the other hand, Gotham Central this ain't. Now it could capture some of that magic, but I really do have some worries. Especially if it winds up going less police-procedural and more CW in tone. And there also won't be any Renee Montoya or Crispus Allen or most of the others I got attached to throughout Cetnral's run.

On the other other hand: HARVEY @#$%ING BULLOCK.

YES

has loved that character ever since the 90's cartoon

edit-Hot damn I forgot how much I loved Gotham Central. If anythng, it made the stock Batman villains that much more terrifying at time.

Joker with a sniper rifle. D:

But it also makes the police officers involve that much more badass. :)

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JoelF847 wrote:
I'm willing to give it a try, but have a lot of concerns overall. The biggest is how depressing the show will be when Gotham has to get worse over time (or at least stay pretty bad) for there to be a need for Batman when Bruce gets older. Not sure I want to see a cop show where Gordon can't ever win.

This is definitely my worry. A current-era Gotham Central-type show could easily be very good indeed...but one where the city has to progressively become more of a hellhole so Batman can eventually come save it, a thing we'll likely never see? That sounds depressing.


Mikaze wrote:
Especially if it winds up going less police-procedural and more CW in tone.

Ugh... *shudder*

The CW sure knows how to mess up a (potentially) good thing.


first episode was decent. Copuple of areas where they kind of hit you over the head with the Batman connections that I felt weren't necessary, and a couple of side characters that came across very one-dimensional, but over all it was pretty good.

Bullock and Gordon make a great center point to the series and they just need to build from there I think. Take the time to flesh out the characters and build the setting around them

assuming Fox gives the series enough time to build instead of cancelling it before the end of the first season

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gotham:
funny to see the young catwoman stalking young bruce wayne... and young penguin was AWESOME... this actor deserves an Oscar... already! "I'm clever that way, you see?"

QUACK quack QUAAAAACK! Oswald needs an Oscar! QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Oh, and also funny to see young Riddler working for the police department! :)


It was only... okay.

Spoiler:
Completely ludicrous conversations at certain point - especially the "we killed an innocent man! We could get fired! blah blah blah". What? You've emphasized how corrupt everything is, that you "immediately shoot a guy if he has a cop's gun" and that beating someone under arrest in the middle of a precinct is a-okay... but when somebody has a gun, opens fire on you, evades arrest, attacks you, then tries to kill you with a knife... you get in trouble for shooting him then?

Argh. Bad bad bad.

Penguin was awesome.


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yeah....it wasn't bad, but all the beating over the head with batman references did not do the show any favors. Let's concentrate on Gordon and Bullock, and Gotham's corruption. I do not need to see baby batman villains, or nods and winks towards certain character eventually becoming super-villains. That just makes me wonder "Why is this show not about Batman?"

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It was okay, and while I don't mind that they're introducing young villains, did we need 4 in the pilot? Space it out some.

I do look forward to some Jim Gordon angst once Penguin comes back as a full fledged super villain, and realizes he's the one who gave him the chance.

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I like it well enough. It was well paced, characters were interesting, aside from the Selina Kyle kid. She was incredibly annoying for some reason.

Alfred also bothered me a little although I love the actor.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it develops.


I liked it. Its not an A+ show such as something that would be on cable but i liked it better than the Shield/smallville/Green arrow. Was the pill guy someone?

Some of the dialogue was bad and some of the city shots looked a little fake

Penguin A+

Gordons wife A

Alfred A

Cops B (waiting on Gordon moustache and not 100% sold on actor as Gordon)

Falcone B (Not enough screen time yet but i like the actor)

Fish and gang B (better than i thought )

young Wayne- C- (Didnt like acting or actions)

Story- C (suprised at amount of violence but lots of cheese and confused on almost all bad guys motives. Did like Cameos and potential)

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I'm on the fence after seeing the premiere. The story didn't really grab me. The obvious parallel here is to compare this to Agents of SHIELD's first episode, and honestly, I don't think Gotham's pilot matches up, mostly on a character basis.

I think the problem is that we know where all of the iconic characters are going to end up. You can't really threaten any of them, because they all have to become Batman's rogues gallery. Worse, since you know where most of them end up, it's really all about watching the tragedy unfold.

Spoiler:

Case in point, the unnamed comedian that's performing for 'Fish.' If that's not The Joker, I'll eat my hat. It also sets off my alarms - if they give an origin story to The Joker, I'm done. Even The Killing Joke refuses to say if that's really The Joker's story or not.

The biggest change to the canon is Barbara. There's something wrong with Jim making out and sleeping with a woman named Barbara, even if she's this universe's Katherine Kane and she's not his daughter.

Other than that, the rest of the show felt very paint-by-numbers. The dialogue was uninspired, and there's no really interesting characters. 'Fish' Mooney is as close as it gets, if only because she's a character that doesn't exist in the stories, so she's got freedom to move about the plot. They get the mission statement out in one of the last scenes: Gordon is going to solve the Waynes' murders for Bruce. At the same time, can he? Isn't that Bruce's fight?

All in all, more fanservice than good television. Hopefully, it'll improve.


Misroi wrote:

I'm on the fence after seeing the premiere. The story didn't really grab me. The obvious parallel here is to compare this to Agents of SHIELD's first episode, and honestly, I don't think Gotham's pilot matches up, mostly on a character basis.

I think the problem is that we know where all of the iconic characters are going to end up. You can't really threaten any of them, because they all have to become Batman's rogues gallery. Worse, since you know where most of them end up, it's really all about watching the tragedy unfold.

** spoiler omitted **

All in all, more fanservice than good television. Hopefully, it'll improve.

Actually I think Barbara is the name of his ex-wife in the comics so that isn't a change. I'd have to wiki it to be sure but I seem to remember someone saying that the Gordon's named their kids after themsleves; Barbara and James jr.

on the Joker I seem to remember an interview when they were working up to the show. The impression I got is that the Joker isn't something they are going to include directly, so I think the comidian is a red herring. They said something about Joker being a background element, something growing in the shadows of the city that we never really see.

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They'll probably put many possible Jokers.

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I read that they are going to put in many possible Jokers, possibly one per episode, and that in the first season they aren't going to do anything with him beyond that. With the implication being that in season 2 they'll start to show which of the many possible Jokers is the real one.

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That would be a horrible failure.


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Biggest question of course is will Fox give the show enough time to build itself up or will they can it before season 1 ends.

and personally I have to wonder if they plan to hold the timeline back in the ever present "now" or if they intent to jump forward a few years each season to bring us closer and closer to Batman.

The show does have a lot of good potential but deep down you know everyone is watching it because they want to see us reach the day that Bruce grows up and puts on a cape. It's a tricky balancing act to never give us that moment while still holding the illusion that we are moving towards it

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Maybe they will let it happen. I wouldn't mind if Batman starts doing stuff in say, season 3?


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Maybe they will let it happen. I wouldn't mind if Batman starts doing stuff in say, season 3?

The kid playing Bruce is 13. I assume the character is around the same. Do you really think they're going to skip at least a decade in order to let Bruce grow into Batman?

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Sure, why not? 5 years per season?


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Skipping ahead a few years each season actually would be kind of cool

I seriously doubt they will do it, but I can hope.

I mean that is ultimately the underlying problem with the premise of the show. A show set around the Batman mythos, yet chooses arguably the most boring period to follow. I could get doing it before Bruce donned the cowl and was training. I could also see doing a year one type show, about him becoming the batman we are all familar with. Even a retired Batman would be cool. Building an entire show around a 13 year old Bruce? not so much.


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MMCJawa wrote:

Skipping ahead a few years each season actually would be kind of cool

I seriously doubt they will do it, but I can hope.

I mean that is ultimately the underlying problem with the premise of the show. A show set around the Batman mythos, yet chooses arguably the most boring period to follow. I could get doing it before Bruce donned the cowl and was training. I could also see doing a year one type show, about him becoming the batman we are all familar with. Even a retired Batman would be cool. Building an entire show around a 13 year old Bruce? not so much.

Or mostly ignore him and the kids who will become villains one day and focus on Gordon and the cops and the corruption and nastiness of Gotham even before all the masked villains.


wow i dont expect Batman to show up at all. I expect to see lesser villins get arrested and eventually Fish to be replaced by penguin or others. Im thinking more Boardwalk Empire than superheroes.

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the whole premise of the show is "Before there was Batman, there was GOTHAM!!!"

So.... don't really expect Batman to show up, is all I'm saying... maybe they're taking a cue from Marvel Agents of Shield where the big guys only show up in movies on this one? would be a (fresh) departure from all the super-hero centric garbage DC TV shows we've been served throughout the years: a TV show just can't do a super hero (with superpowers) right it seems. I'm curious to see how the Luke Cage, Power Fist and Daredevil TV shows will look like when they come out on Netflix... their superpowers will require a certain degree of special effects and stunt work... i.e. money


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thejeff wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

Skipping ahead a few years each season actually would be kind of cool

I seriously doubt they will do it, but I can hope.

I mean that is ultimately the underlying problem with the premise of the show. A show set around the Batman mythos, yet chooses arguably the most boring period to follow. I could get doing it before Bruce donned the cowl and was training. I could also see doing a year one type show, about him becoming the batman we are all familar with. Even a retired Batman would be cool. Building an entire show around a 13 year old Bruce? not so much.

Or mostly ignore him and the kids who will become villains one day and focus on Gordon and the cops and the corruption and nastiness of Gotham even before all the masked villains.

It seems they want to shoehorn Bruce though into (most?) episodes

I mean I will be incredibly happy if the episode shifts it's focus to the cops and mob. I just sort of don't expect it to. Than again, pilots often have a different tone than the remainder of the series, so we will have to see.

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it'll be "Bruce is learning geography" in some episodes then... or in this episode: "Bruce is picked last by the basketball jock team captain" then, 'cause you know... he's a kid.

also, i don't really like how he b~$+#talked Alfred down in that first episode... Alfred should have smacked him up the face for that... England style...

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Greylurker wrote:
Misroi wrote:

I'm on the fence after seeing the premiere. The story didn't really grab me. The obvious parallel here is to compare this to Agents of SHIELD's first episode, and honestly, I don't think Gotham's pilot matches up, mostly on a character basis.

I think the problem is that we know where all of the iconic characters are going to end up. You can't really threaten any of them, because they all have to become Batman's rogues gallery. Worse, since you know where most of them end up, it's really all about watching the tragedy unfold.

** spoiler omitted **

All in all, more fanservice than good television. Hopefully, it'll improve.

Actually I think Barbara is the name of his ex-wife in the comics so that isn't a change. I'd have to wiki it to be sure but I seem to remember someone saying that the Gordon's named their kids after themsleves; Barbara and James jr.

on the Joker I seem to remember an interview when they were working up to the show. The impression I got is that the Joker isn't something they are going to include directly, so I think the comidian is a red herring. They said something about Joker being a background element, something growing in the shadows of the city that we never really see.

Huh. I'd forgotten that Batman: Year One had named his wife Barbara as well. Of course, that comic didn't treat Mrs. Gordon well. Their marriage isn't happy.

Spoiler:

Especially since that means we'll probably be introduced to Sarah Essen at some point.

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Misroi wrote:
Spoiler:
Especially since that means we'll probably be introduced to Sarah Essen at some point.

Spoiler:
We already have. She's the captain at Gordon & Bullock's precinct.
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DankeSean wrote:
Misroi wrote:
** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **

Wow, I completely missed that. Interesting.

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Me too.

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Danubus wrote:
Yeah, the trailer looks good! I just hope it's half as good as it looks and then Fox doesn't do a Fox and cancel it after one season.

They sold it to channel 9 in Australia who also have arrow. Maybe a sign its paid for to season 2.

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Weeelp, episode 2 was fun indeed. Especially the main villains. I loved them.

I always enjoy actors playing against type. They are always awesome, and you could see that they were enjoying themselves thoroughly :D

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