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The vision and light rules say the following in regards to the Light Source and Illumination table, "The increased entry indicates an area outside the lit radius in which the light level is increased by one step (from darkness to dim light, for example)."
The table shows several light sources with light radius X and Increased light radius X2 (a torch, for example says "normal 20-feet and Increased 40-feet").
After the table it also says, "Areas of dim light include outside at night with a moon in the sky, bright starlight, and the area between 20 and 40 feet from a torch."
The rule cited in the former sentence doesn't match the second example given in the latter sentence.
Which is it?
Is the increased radius of light outside the first radius or is it overlapping? Because overlapping does not mean "outside."
Daylight creates bright light out to 60 feet, full stop. But does it then increase the light level for an additional 60 feet, or an additional 120 feet? The rules text seems internally inconsistent in answering that question.
I'm FAQing this and I hope others will as well.
Uhh I'm not seeeing th issue. Light sources have an area of light Sandpoint an are th Sandpoint distance outside that area where it is dim light. I'm not seeing th contradictions.
Did you not read th sunlight spell?
This illumination increases the light level for an additional 60 feet by one step (darkness becomes dim light, dim light becomes normal light, and normal light becomes bright light).
It follows th same patter.
I don't see the confusion either.
Whatever the light source is extends for an additional distance but at one step lower.
As an example if the primary region is 30 feet with a 2 step increase then the light goes on for an additional 30 feet beyond that, but with a one step increase.
Ravingdork if you look at that table the increased distance is always double the normal distance.
Are you asking if the increased distance starts from:
A: the center of the light
B: the edge of the primary light level.
If so I read it as A. The first 60 feet are daylight, and 60 to 120 would only have a one step increase.<---Using the daylight spell as an example.
Are you asking if the increased distance starts from:
A: the center of the light
B: the edge of the primary light level.
If so I read it as A. The first 60 feet are daylight, and 60 to 120 would only have a one step increase.<---Using the daylight spell as an example.
That's pretty much exactly what I'm asking. All the examples seem to indicate that it is A, but all the rules text seems to indicate that it is B. Hence the confusion.
The rules read as A to me also.
The 20 feet of primary light from a torch would be normal light.
The book also says:
"Areas of dim light include outside at night with a moon in the sky, bright starlight, and the area between 20 and 40 feet from a torch."
Now the increased area for a torch is 20 to 40 feet, which matches the increased distance on the chart.
Yeah I know it could have been written better. Actually I would have preferred a chart.
The example areas of dim light are an old example is all. Now if you had a torch outside under a moon, the area between 20 and 40 feet would be normal light, not dim.
But if I brought out a torch under a forest canopy (normally normal light) would there suddenly be a 40-foot radius of bright light since the entire area increases by one step?
It would be odd for the outer area to be brighter than the inner area, so I'm thinking A probably is the correct interpretation.
But if I brought out a torch under a forest canopy (normally normal light) would there suddenly be a 40-foot radius of bright light since the entire area increases by one step?
It would be odd for the outer area to be brighter than the inner area, so I'm thinking A probably is the correct interpretation.
The example assumes that you would only light a torch in darkness. So the "20 normal, 40 increased" should actually say "increase 2 levels upto normal out to 20 ft, increase 1 level up to dim out to 40 ft."
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But if I brought out a torch under a forest canopy (normally normal light) would there suddenly be a 40-foot radius of bright light since the entire area increases by one step?
It would be odd for the outer area to be brighter than the inner area, so I'm thinking A probably is the correct interpretation.
Did you try reading the rules for torches?
A torch does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light.
Sorry, no, I had not looked up the torch entry in this instance.
For the purposes of that example, we'll just replace torch with some other light-creating effect I suppose. I didn't see a general blanket rule, and surely every effect doesn't share the same verbiage.
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Sorry, no, I had not looked up the torch entry in this instance.
For the purposes of that example, we'll just replace torch with some other light-creating effect I suppose. I didn't see a general blanket rule, and surely every effect doesn't share the same verbiage.
A lamp illuminates a small area, providing normal light in a 15-foot radius and increasing the light level by one step for an additional 15 feet beyond that area (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A lamp does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light. A lamp burns for 6 hours on one pint of oil. You can carry a lamp in one hand.
A bullseye lantern provides normal light in a 60-foot cone and increases the light level by one step in the area beyond that, out to a 120-foot cone (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A bullseye lantern does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light. A lantern burns for 6 hours on one pint of oil. You can carry a lantern in one hand.
A hooded lantern sheds normal light in a 30-foot radius and increases the light level by one step for an additional 30 feet beyond that area (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A hooded lantern does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light. A lantern burns for 6 hours on one pint of oil. You can carry a lantern in one hand.
This 1-foot-long, gold-tipped, iron rod glows brightly when struck as a standard action. It sheds normal light in a 30-foot radius and increases the light level by one step for an additional 30 feet beyond that area (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A sunrod does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light. It glows for 6 hours, after which the gold tip is burned out and worthless.
A candle dimly illuminates a small area, increasing the light level in a 5-foot radius by one step (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A candle cannot increase the light level above normal light. A candle burns for 1 hour.
Add the torch to that list, and we're at 6 out of 6 light sources with that specific line in them. Enough, I would argue that it is basically a blanket rule and even if you can find a mundane light source that is missing the verbiage, it should be applied anyways.
No FAQ required.
And spells too?
Most of the light spells that do not soecifically mention raising it to bright light say something similar to "up to normal light"
And spells too?
There are what, 4 spells that shed light? Hmm... After about 37 seconds on the prd I found all of them and they are all fine. No FAQ is needed.
Why is no FAQ needed? Whether or not light sources could increase the light level above normal was the SECOND question posited in this thread. The first may yet warrant some clarification.
Why is no FAQ needed? Whether or not light sources could increase the light level above normal was the SECOND question posited in this thread. The first may yet warrant some clarification.
The need for an FAQ is almost always subjective. I dont see an issue in the book with either one. A light source can go above normal light, but it has to specifically say so like some spells do.
Why is no FAQ needed? Whether or not light sources could increase the light level above normal was the SECOND question posited in this thread. The first may yet warrant some clarification.
The issue about where the area of lesser illumination begins? It could possibly use errata to clean up some text. Not an FAQ, plus, you know how it works.