There hasn't been as much published material that uses more recent boxes, either, so it makes sense that each has sold a decreasing amount. Plus, more recent boxes have tended toward more obscure critters, too. I've got them all, including NPC Codex, Monster Codex, Summon Monster, and several APs and have used something from every one so far.
Put me down in the "would buy in an instant if available again" column. Somehow I overlooked this when it initially released and by the time I discovered it, I couldn't find it anywhere.
I would love a reprint of this!!
I too would purchase a reprint. This unfortunately came out (and sold out) while I was on a hiatus from gaming due to various events in my life. I've just gotten back into the game again, and this was to be one of my first new purchases in about 2 years. I tried to nab one on Amazon and just got an e-mail saying the order has been cancelled. I'd be willing to pay up to $60, maybe a little more, if this were to get a reprint. The cheapest I've found on the secondary market so far is $200.
I too would purchase a reprint. This unfortunately came out (and sold out) while I was on a hiatus from gaming due to various events in my life. I've just gotten back into the game again, and this was to be one of my first new purchases in about 2 years. I tried to nab one on Amazon and just got an e-mail saying the order has been cancelled. I'd be willing to pay up to $60, maybe a little more, if this were to get a reprint. The cheapest I've found on the secondary market so far is $200.
I can't understand those prices. Are there people willing to pay such amount of money?
Often with out-of-print items there's a kind of escalating war of Amazon bots. They look around for "the going rate" and price their copy at 110% of whatever the asking price is. When there's only a few, that can lead to some screwy price inflation where a few bots keep thinking the price is rising and keep upping their asking price - feeding off one another until they hit whatever the programmed limit of the algorithm was. So when you look around and just see a handful of extremely high prices on offer and everyone else out of stock it's unlikely anyone is actually buying them.
I could imagine people paying $60. I doubt very much that anyone is spending $200 on a set though (and that's speaking as a collector who regularly pays higher-than-retail prices to complete a set).
Often with out-of-print items there's a kind of escalating war of Amazon bots. They look around for "the going rate" and price their copy at 110% of whatever the asking price is. When there's only a few, that can lead to some screwy price inflation where a few bots keep thinking the price is rising and keep upping their asking price - feeding off one another until they hit whatever the programmed limit of the algorithm was. So when you look around and just see a handful of extremely high prices on offer and everyone else out of stock it's unlikely anyone is actually buying them.
I could imagine people paying $60. I doubt very much that anyone is spending $200 on a set though (and that's speaking as a collector who regularly pays higher-than-retail prices to complete a set).
Thanks for the explanation.
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After some blind digging and researching, I’m just gonna try and ask. Any updates on a reprint?
It's very unlikely to happen - they don't sell quickly enough to be financially viable.
Paizo rarely say never, but they've looked into this product and tried a few different permutations and they just can't make it work financially, given how long they'd take to recoup the money required for printing a second run.
Vic's most recent definitive statement was a little over a month ago.
We inquired with the distributor who sells to Amazon. They "double checked to see if the wholesalers had any stragglers in inventory that Amazon might have been pulling from, but that doesn’t appear to be the case."
I notice today that the "Sold by Amazon" option is no longer available. I would be very surprised if those recent orders don't eventually get cancelled.
Vic was right. I just got my cancellation notice from Amazon... And my purchase from a 3rd party seller never shipped... My two prong attack failed... Such a disappointment.
'Tis the season...
I saw these on Amazon back in November and happened to place an order with Amazon on November 19th, a few days before Vic's comment on their inquiry with the distributor.
I have not received a notice from Amazon that it has been cancelled yet. It still shows as "Arriving by January 10". but I am not holding my breath.
+1 Would by if reprinted.
Mine just got cancelled from Amazon
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Our mighty local GM this weekend just printed out the PDF on paper, then just inserted the paper pawns in styrofoam cube bases. Very painless to do! :)
You can also buy some clear counter stands, no need to print on heavy card stock.
I am here to also express my interest in a reprint.
Amazon originally estimated a Jan 10 date to deliver my order of these from Nov 19. On the 10th they sent me an email to choose to cancel the order or approve the delay. I chose to approve the delay.
Yesterday they sent me an update that I have a new estimated delivery date of Jan 31. Still not holding my breath.
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How did the Bestiary 4 do?About double Monster Codex Box so far.
Might one speculate that part of this is because you printed twice as many sets?
As this is sold out everywhere, it seems that any comparison of sales figures is meaningless as it relies on unequal production figures.
Perhaps a more pertinent question would be, how quickly did this sell out?
Edit: based on this thread, at latest 18 months.
Not to beat a dead horse but thwack thwack thwack
I think some of the fuel behind the drive for a reprint is that this case is an outlier for most paizo products. The vast majority of pawn sets are still in stock and have never sold out with a reprint being issued. So it comes as somewhat of a surprise to the fan base that a product everyone expects to be available is suddenly POOF! gone.
Also add to the fact that you guys make amazing pawns sets. I recently purchased a pawn set from a 3rd party publisher that is similar to the Monster Codex in content, but the art, spacing, and colors are leagues below the quality of standard Paizo pawns. I was considering referencing this product in this thread, but due to the low quality I will refrain from doing so.
Perhaps it might be useful to have an idea of how many of these would need to be sold in order for a reprint to be issued, and what price customers would be willing to pay. A kickstarter or informal survey might be useful in that regard. Hindsight being 20/20, I think it would behoove Paizo to communicate in some way when a product's print run is nearing it's end and there will be Absolutely No Re-print. I believe many of us on this thread would have changed our purchase priority if that was indicated.
I just want to say thank you to Vic and the Paizo staff for keeping us in the loop regarding this dialog, it says a lot about your brand and respect you have for your fans that you've gone to this length to discuss this issue. Thank you for keeping us informed as the reasoning behind certain decisions, even if those decisions are not the ones customers may want hear.
I think it would behoove Paizo to communicate in some way when a product's print run is nearing it's end and there will be Absolutely No Re-print. I believe many of us on this thread would have changed our purchase priority if that was indicated.
They do periodically announce via the blog which items are likely to sell out soon. I believe this is the most recent such list.
I don’t know how often they come out, but my impression is around one a year.
It’s very, very rare for them to reprint anything other than hardcovers and the beginner box. Anything on that list is likely not going to be reprinted (I doubt they’ll ever say “never” though, since it happens occasionally when a softcover sells out like lightning).
EDIT: I’ve just had a bit of a look back and i couldn’t see any examples of pawn sets appearing in these blogs. It might be that pawns are excluded from the stocktake for some reason, though I can’t imagine why.
Got an email update from Amazon this morning that said my box shipped today! I have a tracking number and everything now and it says it is arriving on the 31st.
There must have been only a handful that snuck in at the normal price back in November. Although I do somewhat question the condition it will arrive in. I am debating on whether I should open it or not when it gets here.
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I think it would behoove Paizo to communicate in some way when a product's print run is nearing it's end and there will be Absolutely No Re-print. I believe many of us on this thread would have changed our purchase priority if that was indicated.They do periodically announce via the blog which items are likely to sell out soon. I believe this is the most recent such list.
I don’t know how often they come out, but my impression is around one a year.
It’s very, very rare for them to reprint anything other than hardcovers and the beginner box. Anything on that list is likely not going to be reprinted (I doubt they’ll ever say “never” though, since it happens occasionally when a softcover sells out like lightning).
EDIT: I’ve just had a bit of a look back and i couldn’t see any examples of pawn sets appearing in these blogs. It might be that pawns are excluded from the stocktake for some reason, though I can’t imagine why.
Yes, that is the most recent one.
The ones before contained the pawn products, as they were ordered purely by the numbers left in stock.
The latest blog does not, as it is ordered by product categories and sadly doesn´t include pawns.
These blogs get published once or twice a year.
I really hope the next one is arranged purely by numbers again (less than 25, less than 100, less than 250, less than 500, less than 1,000 were the categories used in the past).
Some people criticized me personally for constantly updating when a product sold out or dropped into a lower category, but a lot more people seemed to find it helpful to know which product they needed to buy before it sold out completely from Paizos warehouse or which one to snatch up fast from a retailer before it was gone completely.
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Some people criticized me personally for constantly updating when a product sold out or dropped into a lower category, but a lot more people seemed to find it helpful to know which product they needed to buy before it sold out completely from Paizos warehouse or which one to snatch up fast from a retailer before it was gone completely.
A suggestion, Marco, if I may:
How about putting your update posts into a separate thread? That way those who like them can follow it and those who don't can ignore it. That would also allow the same thread to be used through all years, instead of having to look for your updates in all of the Paizo warehouse threads (which there are at least six separate threads by now).
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Some people criticized me personally for constantly updating when a product sold out or dropped into a lower category, but a lot more people seemed to find it helpful to know which product they needed to buy before it sold out completely from Paizos warehouse or which one to snatch up fast from a retailer before it was gone completely.A suggestion, Marco, if I may:
How about putting your update posts into a separate thread? That way those who like them can follow it and those who don't can ignore it. That would also allow the same thread to be used through all years, instead of having to look for your updates in all of the Paizo warehouse threads (which there are at least six separate threads by now).
I could of course do that (if Paizo provides numbers again in their next warehouse blog).
I figured that only the latest (numbered) warehouse blog is of interest to people as older, long sold out products weren´t featured anymore and newer ones added and that it was more convenient to have the product links directly available above.
Thanks for the suggestion, Samy. :-)
EDIT: I’ve just had a bit of a look back and i couldn’t see any examples of pawn sets appearing in these blogs. It might be that pawns are excluded from the stocktake for some reason, though I can’t imagine why.The ones before contained the pawn products, as they were ordered purely by the numbers left in stock.
The latest blog does not, as it is ordered by product categories and sadly doesn´t include pawns.
I must have missed them in the earlier compilations (I checked a couple of the older, enumerated lists).
Makes sense they would be listed. Or rather, I couldn’t come up with a plausible reason to exclude them off the top of my head.
Some people criticized me personally for constantly updating when a product sold out or dropped into a lower category, but a lot more people seemed to find it helpful to know which product they needed to buy before it sold out completely from Paizos warehouse or which one to snatch up fast from a retailer before it was gone completely.
Sorry about that. I made reference a couple of times - it wasn’t intended as criticism but more friendly ribbing. Apologies if that didn’t come across.
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Some people criticized me personally for constantly updating when a product sold out or dropped into a lower category, but a lot more people seemed to find it helpful to know which product they needed to buy before it sold out completely from Paizos warehouse or which one to snatch up fast from a retailer before it was gone completely.Sorry about that. I made reference a couple of times - it wasn’t intended as criticism but more friendly ribbing. Apologies if that didn’t come across.
No need, Steve.
You were completely civil about it as always. I could tell, that it was good-natured fun. :-)
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I, too, would love to Kickstart or Print On Demand this item. I would even happily pay more for a set without a box or stands. I had this on my list of things to pick up eventually, but it wasn't a priority because I wasn't in a game the past couple of years. Now that my fiancee has started running two it has become one of the items I have been searching for the most. I've even tried ordering a German copy from Thalia.de, but they don't ship to the US.
I no longer care about this product. I've made my peace with the fact it's gone, and found alternate (non-paizo) sources of orcs and goblins.
Trying to throw my money at you here for at least 2 of these. Would preorder if I could.
Would it help if they simply did a poll for how many customers really wanted this? They seem to believe the #s aren't there to justify a reprint, but maybe if more of us would come out from lurking and commit, they then could economically justify it.
This is just a general idea, and I leave the specifics to Paizo, but in the meantime, yeah, I'd buy it as well.
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They do care, immensely. They are simply convinced that not enough customers care. Big difference.
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Would it help if they simply did a poll for how many customers really wanted this? They seem to believe the #s aren't there to justify a reprint, but maybe if more of us would come out from lurking and commit, they then could economically justify it.
This is just a general idea, and I leave the specifics to Paizo, but in the meantime, yeah, I'd buy it as well.
They’ve produced books before based on “popular demand” only to find out that it didn’t translate well to actual sales (despite enthusiastic messageboard support). I believe this is the textbook example - still available years later after being discounted by more than 80%
In this case, they have much better information as to likely sales trajectory as they’ve produced and tracked sales of many, many different pawn sets - including reprints.
Remember that in order for sales to hit reasonable levels, retailers need to order restocks too and Vic has previously mentioned that they rarely do that with pawn boxes - they prefer to stock the new setsrather than risk being left with “out of date” product. Plus, most Paizo products have a built in upfront kick in salesfrom subscribers. They wouldn’t include this in the subscription a second time, so that requires an additional investment of capital for the extended time it would take to sell.
It’s good to tell Paizo what we want, but sometimes it just doesn’t make financial sense to cater to the hardcore fans (ie those who come to the messageboard).
Paizo’s preferred option in cases like this is usually to print a similar-but-different product which meets the same need but with a fresh, new take. That way those looking for this kind of pawn set who missed the first time around will get it, plus initial sales will be boosted by subscriber and retailer orders. I suspect we’ll see a similar product on the schedule soon enough. This has only been out of print a couple of years (a year?)