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So, I see threads all the time about people complaining about how X thing is OP or too munchkin-y with a very specific build.
Well, this is not a complaint thread. Instead embrace you inner munchkin!
So, with this thread, post your most munchkin ideas and builds. The rules are simple:
full level 20
20 pt buy
any race in the ARG
Everything printed from Paizo is fair game.
So have fun and keep munchkin-ing on!
Most munchkiny things I experience at my table involve game mechanics and not particular builds.
I have a player who is convinced that if he wears multiple magic rings on the same hand, he can spend an action to decide which of them he gains the benefits from. I ruled that only the ring with the higher CL is always on and the other is suppressed, if they have the same CL, they are both suppressed.
Murdering and stealing makes you chaotic neutral and not evil is another one.
Same player also wants me to allow him to have multiple elemental enchantments on a weapon all tied to the same word so they will all stack and he can do +4d6 elemental damage with every hit. I said he would have to quest for a crafter that knew how to do that.
I have a few...
There's my "High oradin of Arshea", a creature that recieves saves, AC (4 times over) attack, damage & healing from charisma. Without a doubt my silliest build.
Human Vivisectionist Alchemist 20
Final relevant stats
Str:32 Dex:40
Vestiginal arm x2
Transformation formula
Feats
1-Proficiency long composite bow
3-WF bow
5-Point blank
7-Precise shot
9-Deadly Aim
11-TWF
13-Rapid Shot
15-Improv TWF
19-Greater TWF
Composite Bow +5 adaptive x2
Boots of speed
Archer bracer, greater
Sniper goggles, greater
Attacks: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17
Damage: 1d8+29
Sneak: 1d8+49+10d6
^^
Now that is a build that would make a GM cry xD
Munchkin-ism is when people cheat. For example, a rogue wild-shaping via UMD and druid's vestment is an example of good munchkin-ing (as in cheating but maybe vaguely rules legal if read things a particular way). Another example of munchkin-ing is adding 10 to your d20 roll whenever it is below 10.
Making effective OP broken builds. That is power-gaming which is different than munchkin-ism.
Munchkin-ism always implies cheating.
Whatever that build was that people were talking about using gunslingers dual-wielding double-barreled pistols and getting 12 or more attacks per round using ranged touch attacks.
It harkens back to when I first started playing Champions and the group told the newbie me "if anything acts on phase 1 (meaning they had a SPEED stat of 12) kill it without prejudice." Anything getting that many attacks (as a PC at least) is unnatural. *grin*
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Human Wizard 20
This. Or Paragon Surge Oracle cheese.
Honestly the builds I come up with (while debatably pretty optimized) never hold a candle to any of the really optimized builds for the good and simple reason that I generally dislike playing Full Casters and thus usually don't come up with builds for them.
So...nothing I've got (the Oracle of Lore 1/Barbarian 19 who wins all the out-of-combat knowledge checks forever, abuses Fate's Favored to make his one level of Oracle useful for Divine Favor and has pretty much all the standard Barbarian goodies, or the Oracle of Lore 1/Paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 5/Monk 4/Champion of Irori 10 who smites all the things forever while enjoying the same advantages I mention for the Barbarian, or the Kitsune Ninja (Scout) 20 who combines Pounce with the scout ability, Sneak Attack, and TWF to unleash a ridiculous amount of damage) can really compare to actual well-optimized stuff.
I guess I could mention the Kitsune Enchantment Sorcerer, but that's really as simple as grabbing Fey or Arcane Bloodlines, getting Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus, and abusing the Kitsune Favored Class option. Save DCs of 22-23 at 4th level (for the Fey version, anyway) are silly, and it only gets more terrifying from there (DC 30 by 10th level is very possible, as is DC 42 without Spell Perfection at 20th level).
Human Two-Handed Fighter 20
Final Relevant Stat:
Str: 32
Feats:
1)Weapon Focus (Falchion)
1F)Power Attack
1H)Furious Focus
2F)
3)Improved Initiative
4F)Weapon Specialization (Falchion)
5)
6F)
7)
8F)Greater Weapon Focus (Falchion)
9)Improved Critical (Falchion)
10F)Critical Focus (Falchion)
11)Bleeding Critical (Falchion)
12F)Greater Weapon Specialization (Falchion)
13)
14F)Critical Mastery (Falchion)
15)
16F)
17)Stunning Critical (Falchion)
18F)
19)
20F)
Belt of Strength (+6)
+5 Corrosive Burst Falcion of Speed
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W/O Power Attack
Attack(s):+37/+37/+32/+27/+22
Damage:2d4 + 35
Critical:6d4 + 2d10 + 2d6 + 105 + Stun
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W/Power Attack
Attack(s):+31/+31/+26/+21/+16
Damage:2d4 + 59
Critical:6d4 + 2d10 + 2d6 + 177 + Stun
I think I missed a few things, I just kind of threw this together.
Assuming Max and all crits, this is 1165 potential damage in one round.
Most munchkiny things I experience at my table involve game mechanics and not particular builds.
I have a player who is convinced that if he wears multiple magic rings on the same hand, he can spend an action to decide which of them he gains the benefits from. I ruled that only the ring with the higher CL is always on and the other is suppressed, if they have the same CL, they are both suppressed.
Murdering and stealing makes you chaotic neutral and not evil is another one.
Same player also wants me to allow him to have multiple elemental enchantments on a weapon all tied to the same word so they will all stack and he can do +4d6 elemental damage with every hit. I said he would have to quest for a crafter that knew how to do that.
Well I'll agree in most cases to the stealing. Although some people just need killing.
Mythic Johnny Bowman Fighter 20, Champion(M) 10
NG Huge Human
lnit +32;
Senses blind sense 30', darkvision 60', low-light vision, true seeing;
Perception +23
DEFENSE
AC 55 (+14 armor, +4 deflection, Dex +6, +1 dodge, +4 insight, +4 luck, +4 morale, +6 natural, +4 sacred, -2 size) Touch 35, Flat Footed 48
HP 394 (20d10+274)
Fort +51, Ref +43, Will +38
DR 5/-, regeneration 5
OFFENSE
Speed 40', swim 60'
Ranged +5 Distance, Seeking Darkwood Composite Longbow (STR +22) +47/+47/+47/+47/+47/+47/+47 (4d6+77/19-20/x5) Manyshot on first two shots.
Space 15’, Reach 15’
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 22)
6/day – Touch of Rage
STATISTICS
STR 54, DEX 22, CON 28, INT 7, WIS 10, CHA 16
Base Atk +20, CMB +45, CMD 61
Feats: Arcane Strike, Cosmopolitan, Deadly Aim, Eldritch Heritage (Orc), Greater Weapon Focus (Longbow), Greater Weapon Specialization (Longbow), Improved Critical (Longbow), Improved Eldritch Heritage, Improved Initiative, Improved Precise Shot, Iron Will, Magical Aptitude, Manyshot, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Skill Focus (Survival), Toughness, Weapon Focus (Longbow), Weapon Specialization (Longbow), Deadly Aim (Mythic), Improved Critical (Mythic), Improved Eldritch Heritage (Mythic), Improved Initiative (Mythic), Manyshot (Mythic), Rapid Shot (Mythic), Weapon Focus (Mythic), Weapon Specialization (Mythic), Optimistic Gambler (T), Reactionary (T)
Special Abilities: Bravery +4, Armor Training, Armor Mastery, Weapon Training, Weapon Mastery, Hard to Kill, Amazing Initiative, Recuperation, Mythic Saves, Force of Will, Unstoppable, Immortal, Legendary Hero, Surge 1d12, Extra Mythic Feat, Extra Mythic Feat, Extra Mythic Feat, Limitless Range, Precision, Precision, Precision, Enhanced Ability, Mythic Sight, Mythic Sight
Gear: Belt of Physical Perfection +6, Boots of Speed, Bracers of Archery Greater, Cape of the Mounteback, Efficient Quiver, Gloves of Dueling, Headband of Alluring Charisma +4, Robe of Arcane Heritage, 4000 Arrows, Srcoll (3x Giant Form II), +4 DISMaL Ring of AC Boosting, +5 SIMPLR Ring of Save Boosting, +5 Mithril Full Plate
Permanent Spells: Giant Form II, Gravity Bow
Tactics- Initiative (Declare 20 for 52 after roll), Use Amazing Initiative to activate Touch of Rage, Swift to Active Arcane Strike, Full Attack (7 attacks, 9 arrows), Use surge ability to make at least one attack a critical hit, Avg 1183 hp damage.
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I think you mean power gaming. Munchkining is arguing that boiling an anthill gives you XP, its convincing your GM to let you play a higher level character then everyone else, or to give you some super powered artifact or ability you don't get normally through the rules. You call those players munchkins, cause that's the type of things you do when you're 8. Munchkins are not power gamers, they often don't know the rules very well yet (again, cause they're young kids).
Power gaming on the other hand, is about taking the rules and trying to find the combinations that give the biggest numbers, but are 100% legal by the raw.
Well, this probably is not to OP in the long run, and a lot of other people can make much better, but I would still feel guilty bringing it out since it breaks lower levels: Bard (Archaeologist) 1/Barbarian X.
The idea here is to max out the use of Archaeologist's luck ability (which replaces performance for a scaling luck bonus to attack, damage, saves, and skills equal to inspire courage at the cost of a swift action). The first, and most important part, is to take the Fate's Favored trait (+1 to luck bonuses). That means, with this dip, you are getting +2 to attack, damage, and saves.
You also have to take the lingering performance feat, which allows the effect of performances (and the luck ability says it counts for that) for 2 rounds after you end it. That means that the 4+CHA rounds becomes 3x(4+CHA), or about 18 rounds per day with modest stat investment. That is enough to keep the luck going for every fight in the day. Note: this move is necessary for pretty much all archaeologists, since the daily rounds do not scale.
So, why barbarian? Because- Archaeologist's Luck is about on par with Rage...and it can be used at the same time as rage. So that is +4 to attack and +4 to damage (before twohanding). Early on, that guarantees hits on level appropriate challenges, and barbarians were one shotting those anyway.
Later, you can take your typical superstitious beast totem invulnerable rager barbarian, and you are all the better for the dip. Archaeologist's luck gives bonuses to the exact things such barbarians specialize in: heavy damage and ridiculous saves. Because barbarians need to be even more of DPR tanks, right? The fact that you also get face skills as class skills, cantrips, and access to easier wand use simply expands your usefulness outside of battle.
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Human Teleportation Conjurer 20, Ban Enchantment and Necromancy because enchantment can be replaced by diplomacy and most Necromancy spells often get banned.
Starting Atributes
Str 12 Wis 12 Cha 12 Con 21 (27) Dex 19 (25) Int 30 (36)
Notable Stat Methods, planar bind 3 Eefreeti at level 14 for +5 inherent bonus to all attributes for a one week ritual of chain wishing, every 2 Eefreet wishes is purchased with a wish for something the Eefreet Desires. the Aladdin deal, 3 super happy Eefreets and 6 spare wishes to be spent as you wish, probably used to spoil each of them with 2 free wishes
before factoring simulacrum shenanigans, this human conjurer has a planar bound planetar cleric 1 he keeps on a leash and keeps control of by reminding him of the danger posed by his Epic party of demigods and godslayers. the planetar serves the wizard master out of fear for his life and is painfully struck by the Greater Geas he cast as an opposition spell, the Geas being "Serve me with Absolute Loyalty"
Relevant Gear; +6 Int Booster, +6 Dex and Con Booster, +5 silken ceremonial armor, +5 mithril buckler, +5 cloak of resistance, +5 amulet of natural armor and +5 ring of protection, +5 Eyes of the Tenebrous Leopard (Eyes of the Eagle plus goggles of darkvision plus goggles of truesight) Circlet of Persuasion, other adventuring gear as appropriate. this wizard has 242HP. pixie has lots of crafted low level wands with decent caster levels, typically used to interrupt enemy casters
relevant arcane discoveries, true name (Succubus bard 11), the succubus bard, the wizard's pocket courtesan, has the 6 day eefreeti binding treatment
Relevant Class Features, improved Familiar (pixie), pixie has 6 day eefreeti binding treatment
relavant feats, Leadership with an 18th level Elven Switch Hitter Urban Ranger cohort using the darkvision and lightbringer alternate racial traits with an 18th level 16HD Pouncing Tiger Animal Companion. the ranger and tiger each have the 6 day eefreeti binding treatment
benefit; member of a 20th level adventuring party whom brings his own 17th level pocket cleric, and brings 2 pocket fighters, one of which is a pocket rogue, he brings a pocket face and buffer, and a pocket scout and wand user. he most likely crafted everything he and his servants own and looked for every way to possibly cheat costs
effectively, not only does this wizard support an adventuring party, he brings an adventuring party of servants to himself.
everything's PC equivalent WBL is doubled by the wizard and eefreeti binding shenanigans all around.
each of your party members brings between 1 and 3 characters, you bring 6 before you factor summons, and have covered every base on your own, giving your party the freedom to do whatever the off the wall build they desire happens to be.
Oh, man, where's that bookmark of Ravingdork's thousand-something-point exploding PC?
Human Wizard 20This. Or Paragon Surge Oracle cheese.
And when the Arcanist gets here, Arcanist 20.
Honestly, there isn't much to say on the topic at this point. Oracle Paragon Surge Cheese blows anything out of the water until someone can find a way to additionally the Druid spell list.
The whole list?
The whole list?
I accidentally "access"
A cavalier of the sword riding the summoners eidolon for all the crazy.
Thing is, Power Gaming and Munchkinism are seperate things. If somone is an actual Munchkin they are likely cheating. Which doesnt mean a Powergamer cant make characters that are not fun for others to play with, its just built within the rules.
Human Vivisectionist Alchemist 20
Final relevant stats
Str:32 Dex:40Vestiginal arm x2
Transformation formulaFeats
1-Proficiency long composite bow
3-WF bow
5-Point blank
7-Precise shot
9-Deadly Aim
11-TWF
13-Rapid Shot
15-Improv TWF
19-Greater TWFComposite Bow +5 adaptive x2
Boots of speed
Archer bracer, greater
Sniper goggles, greaterAttacks: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17
Damage: 1d8+29
Sneak: 1d8+49+10d6
if I remeber right vestigial arms in no way grants "extra actions or attacks" this is an interesting build but not sure it works this way.
Munchkins often open with a line like: "If your DM will let you have [insert thing here]," when giving advice. Often with expectations that DMs are going to let you change the rules in the name of fun. It's a valid way to play because you know, fun and all, but Power Gamers are the ones who will say: "Do [insert thing here] because it's the best and there's nothing your DM can do to stop you!"
Munchkins often open with a line like: "If your DM will let you have [insert thing here]," when giving advice. Often with expectations that DMs are going to let you change the rules in the name of fun. It's a valid way to play because you know, fun and all, but Power Gamers are the ones who will say: "Do [insert thing here] because it's the best and there's nothing your DM can do to stop you!"
Remembering that "Munchkin" is an insult, let me just add to your Munchkin example because you're giving them too much credit.
"The DM is going to let me change the rules of the game, or I'm just going to ignore a couple clauses here and there without saying. There's no real harm in it because it's more fun for me"
Munchkins are power gamers, who cheat or bend the rules purely for their own enjoyment. If you see power gaming as evil, then at least power gamers are a reasonable lawful evil, to the Munchkin's chaotic evil.
if I remeber right vestigial arms in no way grants "extra actions or attacks" this is an interesting build but not sure it works this way.Human Vivisectionist Alchemist 20
Final relevant stats
Str:32 Dex:40Vestiginal arm x2
Transformation formulaFeats
1-Proficiency long composite bow
3-WF bow
5-Point blank
7-Precise shot
9-Deadly Aim
11-TWF
13-Rapid Shot
15-Improv TWF
19-Greater TWFComposite Bow +5 adaptive x2
Boots of speed
Archer bracer, greater
Sniper goggles, greaterAttacks: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17
Damage: 1d8+29
Sneak: 1d8+49+10d6
It...doesn't? I know that the dev ended the whole thing of "I have racial claws and put feral mutagen claws on my vestigial arms" thing. Not entirely sure how a twohanded weapon would work with that, but my general assumption is: no.
But I do like to imagine a party made up of those builds that rely entirely on misunderstood mechanics that I've seen on the forums. So multiweapon fighting vestigial alchemist, bite/4xclaw alchemist, the catfolk barbarian raised by half-orcs to grow foot long fangs and has x4 claws by placing the beast totem ones on their feet, and like....90% of synthesists. Anyone want to add other examples they have seen on the forums to this party? They really need some divine magic and battlefield control.
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Btw, that mythic fighter is crazy! Reminds me of my 3.5 , dwarf barb15/fighter5/battlrager 5/legendary dreadnaught 4!! Insanity, I actually am looking forward to getting mythic adventures, I think it might make solo adventuring more viable( less player/gm fudging).
if I remeber right vestigial arms in no way grants "extra actions or attacks" this is an interesting build but not sure it works this way.Human Vivisectionist Alchemist 20
Final relevant stats
Str:32 Dex:40Vestiginal arm x2
Transformation formulaFeats
1-Proficiency long composite bow
3-WF bow
5-Point blank
7-Precise shot
9-Deadly Aim
11-TWF
13-Rapid Shot
15-Improv TWF
19-Greater TWFComposite Bow +5 adaptive x2
Boots of speed
Archer bracer, greater
Sniper goggles, greaterAttacks: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17
Damage: 1d8+29
Sneak: 1d8+49+10d6
The arms aren't what are giving him the extra attacks, they're just allowing him to wield weapons with which, he picks up extra attacks via other methods.
Here's the normal +34/+29/+24/+19
After adding the speed property to the weapon it becomes +34/+34/+29/+24/+19
Add Rapid Shot:+32/+32/+32/+27/+22/+17
Add TWF:+32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+22/+17
Add Improved TWF: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+17
Add Greater TWF: +32/+32/+32/+32/+27/+27/+22/+22/+17
Reading all these comparisons... I guess I've had it wrong this whole time... I always thought Munchkin and Powergamer were the same thing, I just call myself a munchkin usually because it's a funnier title.
Now that I know the distinction I shall refer to myself as a powergamer.
Thank you Paizo community!
Btw, that mythic fighter is crazy! Reminds me of my 3.5 , dwarf barb15/fighter5/battlrager 5/legendary dreadnaught 4!! Insanity, I actually am looking forward to getting mythic adventures, I think it might make solo adventuring more viable( less player/gm fudging).
Wait, we were allowed to use mythic? I thought the OP only said level 20?
Heck, give me a minute =)
Human Two-Handed Fighter 20 / Champion/Guardian 10
Final Relevant Abilities:
Str: 50 (+20), Dex: 28 (+9), Con: 34 (+12)
Feats:
1)Weapon Focus (Greataxe)
1F)Power Attack
1H)Furious Focus
2F)Toughness
3)Improved Initiative
4F)Weapon Specialization (Greataxe)
5)Iron Will
6F)Vital Strike
7)Lighting Reflexes
8F)Greater Weapon Focus (Greataxe)
9)Great Fortitude
10F)
11)Improved Vital Strike
12F)Greater Weapon Specialization (Greataxe)
13)
14F)
15)
16F)Greater Vital Strike
17)
18F)
19)
20F)
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Mythic Stuff:
Vital Strike (Mythic)
Power Attack (Mythic)
Weapon Focus (Mythic)
Weapon Specialization (Mythic)
Toughness (Mythic)
Armor Master (3)
Maximized Critical
Critical Master
Titan's Rage
Armored Might
Impervious Body (3)
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Magic Items:
Belt of Physical Perfection +6, Belt of Mental Perfection +6, +5 Keen Flaming and Corrosive Burst Greataxe, +5 Adamantine Heavy Fortification Full Plate, +5 Mithril Buckler, Amulet of Natural Armor +5, Ring of Protection +5, Cloak of Resistance +5
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Final Relevant Stats:
AC: 52 = 10 + 18 + 6 + 9 - 1 + 5 + 5
EDIT: Flat-Footed 43, Touch 23
EDIT: Fort 31, Ref 22, Will 16
EDIT: DR 3/-, 15/epic
HP: 450 (20d10 + 200 + 50 + 40)
Attack(s): +53/+48/+43/+38
Damage: 2d8 + 58
Power Attack: 2d8 + 94
Vital Strike: 8d8 + 232
Vital Strike + Power Attack: 8d8 + 376
Vital Strike + Power Attack + Critical = 6d10 + 632
I think I might be missing some stuff, but, there ya go. Here's what a Mythic fighter looks like.
Thing is, Power Gaming and Munchkinism are seperate things. If somone is an actual Munchkin they are likely cheating. Which doesnt mean a Powergamer cant make characters that are not fun for others to play with, its just built within the rules.
The original use I ever heard of Munchkin was from GURPS where it was understood munchkin meant 'powergamer'. The two were identical. Powergamer was simply a nicer way of putting things.
You could always spot a min-maxing munchkin. If they were fighter types they made 'combat monsters'. If they were a 'wizard' type they made 'the green lantern' or 'Dr. Strange' but only more powerful. If they were the sneaky kind they made 'The Wraith' from Wildcard books, etc.
Cheating had nothing to do with it. There was a game called 'Munchkin' and 'powergamer'.
Thing is, Power Gaming and Munchkinism are seperate things. If somone is an actual Munchkin they are likely cheating. Which doesnt mean a Powergamer cant make characters that are not fun for others to play with, its just built within the rules.The original use I ever heard of Munchkin was from GURPS where it was understood munchkin meant 'powergamer'. The two were identical. Powergamer was simply a nicer way of putting things.
You could always spot a min-maxing munchkin. If they were fighter types they made 'combat monsters'. If they were a 'wizard' type they made 'the green lantern' or 'Dr. Strange' but only more powerful. If they were the sneaky kind they made 'The Wraith' from Wildcard books, etc.
Cheating had nothing to do with it. There was a game called 'Munchkin' and 'powergamer'.
I think a good metaphor for it is this: A man decides that, during this game, he is going to go all hardcore, no mercy, going-for-blood level of skills...against his 5 year old son.
Powergamers at a table where everyone powergames is fine, and expected. A munchkin is a person with 10 years of experience (and making the most of that) at a table where everyone else has a combined 1 year of experience (including the GM).
Of course, munchkins also include those that weasel and cheat as well. Not going to deny that. But that is on the deeper end of the scale compared to simple powergaming.
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Most munchkiny things I experience at my table involve game mechanics and not particular builds.
I have a player who is convinced that if he wears multiple magic rings on the same hand, he can spend an action to decide which of them he gains the benefits from. I ruled that only the ring with the higher CL is always on and the other is suppressed, if they have the same CL, they are both suppressed.
Considering that the Meridian belt is a thing I would say that the rules definitely agree with you.
A LG Half-Elf (or equivalent) Nature Oracle so you can turn yourself into an animal at level 20 and make your CHA infinite via Awakening to achieve infinite Initiative via Noble Scion (War), Infinite AC and CMD, via Nature's Whispers, and infinite Saves via Bestow Grace of the Champion. Make sure you have Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) so you can Paragon Surge into the entire Sorcerer/Wizard and Cleric/Oracle lists. Lather in Blood Money + Spell that costs money. Bake and serve.
I always thought a munchkin was simply an extreme powergamer.
AFAIAC all min-maxers are powergamers and munchkins. Nothing wrong with that. Rules heavy systems attract them. They'll create characters with highest advantages and exploit any rules loopholes no matter whom they are playing with. That is the nature of a rules heavy system.
Rules light systems usually say 'requires GM approval' or some such caveat to everything. This means the GM gets the final say on 'Dr. Strange' or 'Wolverine'. Makes for more work and many GMs simply can't say 'no' because they don't have the personality for it so you'll get powergaming/munchkins there too.
New word, "Munchking" 'best' of all munchkins knowing all the rules and loopholes.
Thing is, Power Gaming and Munchkinism are seperate things. If somone is an actual Munchkin they are likely cheating. Which doesnt mean a Powergamer cant make characters that are not fun for others to play with, its just built within the rules.The original use I ever heard of Munchkin was from GURPS where it was understood munchkin meant 'powergamer'. The two were identical. Powergamer was simply a nicer way of putting things.
You could always spot a min-maxing munchkin. If they were fighter types they made 'combat monsters'. If they were a 'wizard' type they made 'the green lantern' or 'Dr. Strange' but only more powerful. If they were the sneaky kind they made 'The Wraith' from Wildcard books, etc.
Cheating had nothing to do with it. There was a game called 'Munchkin' and 'powergamer'.
I think its evolved really. The reason power gaming itself comes up as a conflict isn't because it is bas so much as the game gets playes by a lot ofitelligent young peoole who don't have all their social skills worked out. So if you don't understand the ideas of a vroup paradigm its difdicult to integrate yourself I to it.
In recent periods I mainly see munchkinism applied when a lot of questionable rules interpetions are used or a player introduces a character outside a grpups power paradigm.
I think its evolved really. The reason power gaming itself comes up as a conflict isn't because it is bas so much as the game gets playes by a lot ofitelligent young peoole who don't have all their social skills worked out. So if you don't understand the ideas of a vroup paradigm its difdicult to integrate yourself I to it.
In recent periods I mainly see munchkinism applied when a lot of questionable rules interpetions are used or a player introduces a character outside a grpups power paradigm.
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Yes sorry I have fat fingers and my phones helper for thst stuff doesnt work for some reason with the forums.