Ultimate Campaign

[Shain Edge]

I understand that the Retraining rules for 1st level characters are free, but I have a question that goes beyond that.

Are the retraining rules, and the costs associated with it, in the Ultimate Campaign book legal for PFS play?

[RainyDayNinja]

If you want to see if something from a book is legal, go to the Additional Resources page, hit ctrl+F, and search for the title of the book. That will list what is and is not legal from that book.

[Shain Edge]

RainyDayNinja wrote:

If you want to see if something from a book is legal, go to the Additional Resources page, hit ctrl+F, and search for the title of the book. That will list what is and is not legal from that book.

Thank you for the quick reply.

[Shain Edge]

Ouch! That PP per day of retraining is a killer! I wonder why they required that?

[El Baron de los Banditos]

So anyone can't just rebuild a whole 13th level character for a paltry amount of gold, since the "find someone who can do this" bit is impossible to hinder anyone with the infinite time between scenarios.

[Shain Edge]

a PP per day is still quite pricy. I would have held it at a PP per Retrain aspect, regardless of the days involved. It is also easier to keep track of.

1 PP per character change seems reasonable.

[Spaarky]

As others have said it is expensive for a reason. Lowering the rate would lead to it being a much more common occurrence and would extremely devalue the Complete Free Rebuild Boon offered to Tier 1 GM's at Gencon.

[Shain Edge]

Chris Mullican wrote:

As others have said it is expensive for a reason. Lowering the rate would lead to it being a much more common occurrence and would extremely devalue the Complete Free Rebuild Boon offered to Tier 1 GM's at Gencon.

A benefit specific to people going to only a specified CON seems a bit unfair to begin with. I'm currently at DunDra Con, but if I were a Tier 1 GM, I can or can not get the above benefit?

[Michael Brock]

Shain Edge wrote:

Chris Mullican wrote:

As others have said it is expensive for a reason. Lowering the rate would lead to it being a much more common occurrence and would extremely devalue the Complete Free Rebuild Boon offered to Tier 1 GM's at Gencon.

A benefit specific to people going to only a specified CON seems a bit unfair to begin with. I'm currently at DunDra Con, but if I were a Tier 1 GM, I can or can not get the above benefit?

Gen Con is the highlight show of the year for us. We run 1500 or more tables. We need a lot of GMs to help make the show a success. So the reward is perceived as "better." As soon as another con runs 1500+ tables over a weekend, I will be happy to provide the same boon. Luckily, DundraCon received their own unique set of boons that players in Turkey and Brazil and South Africa don't get a chance to receive. It balances out.

And no, being a tier 1 GM at DundraCon will not allow you to receive the free rebuild boon. You should have received the unique race boon that was sent for GMs at Dundracon.

[Michael Brock]

Shain Edge wrote:

a PP per day is still quite pricy. I would have held it at a PP per Retrain aspect, regardless of the days involved. It is also easier to keep track of.

1 PP per character change seems reasonable.

Before August of 2013, there was no option at all to rebuild. We decided to incorporate a rebuild system similar to what is found in Ultimate Combat so if a player messed up their character by poor decisions, they weren't stuck with the choice of playing a character they wouldn't enjoy or retiring the character and losing the time invested. The VOs and I discussed for a month. In the end, I made the decision that a high cost to rebuild is what we were going with. I don't want people to rebuild after every game. The system wasn't designed for that. What we have now allows for a player to refocus the character but some thought has to go into the change, and not just willy nilly decisions between every scenario.

[Shain Edge]

Thanks for explaining why the decision was made as it currently stands. I'm considering working as a PFS DM in my area that has, at closest, a DM 3 miles away. (Me at Carson City NV, vs Reno.)

I'll keep it in mind when/if I start something out.