Tripping question


Rules Questions


1)Can you use a trip instead of an attack?
2)Can you trip instead of attack in an attack of opportunity?
3)If two weapon fighting can you attack and trip (offhand) and then attack again (-5) and trip (offhand) if a different enemy?

Shadow Lodge

1) Yes, it's the first sentence in the description of trip.

2) Yes (but note that you can't trip as the AoO on an opponent standing up from prone, since the AoO is taken before they stand up)

3) Yes, any of your TWF attacks can be used to trip (at the appropriate penalties) at any available targets.


If the character has two weapons but wants to trip with an unarmed strike can they?


Also let's say my two weapon fighter trips an opponent with greater trip does the attack of opportunity happen before his additional attacks? Are the additional attacks and the attack of opportunity at a bonus due to the target now prone?


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Damian Vryce Kil'Cannon wrote:
If the character has two weapons but wants to trip with an unarmed strike can they?

If you are trying to trip them with your legs, I could see this. However, unless you have Improved Unarmed Attack and Improved Trip, then you will possibly take two attacks of opportunity from your opponent.

Again, you could not strike with weapon A, weapon B, and get another trip attack with your legs. You can only replace a melee attack with a trip attempt. The above example would be too many attacks unless you have some other means like a natural attack or such that would allow that type of sequence.

It would be a good idea to run it past your DM to make sure they are on the same page with what you are attempting to do.


Damian Vryce Kil'Cannon wrote:
Also let's say my two weapon fighter trips an opponent with greater trip does the attack of opportunity happen before his additional attacks? Are the additional attacks and the attack of opportunity at a bonus due to the target now prone?

AOO resolves BEFORE the triggering action. So if you trip, you must make the attack of opportunity immediately, then you may resolve the rest of your attacks. The rest of his attacks will certainly be at a bonus (or penalty on defender) for a prone target, I believe the AOO from greater trip is NOT, AOO is trigger by tripping, but resolved before the trigger, hence he is not prone yet. Same logic applies when he's getting up, even though he is standing up, he counts as prone for AOO on that action.

I might suggest looking at vicious stomp as well, it stacks with greater trip.


Already planning on viscious stomp, but glad I'm not alone on combos.

The character actually is a gestalt talented fighter/talented monk. He is a two weapon Warrior so he can make two weapon fighting as a standard action and can make two weapon fighting on AoOs.

So the plan is he trips a target with his main hand and with greater trip and vicious stomp he takes two AoOs. Both AoOs get his two weapon fighting so he potential hits the character four times (twice from each AoOs primary and off hand) and then when the target is prone he hits him with his offhand attack with the bonus he gets for attacking a prone enemy.

Shadow Lodge

You'll only get three attacks from the AoO combo. Greater Trip triggers Equal Opportunity, but Vicious Stomp must be an unarmed strike so you can't use it to make a weapon attack.

Hendelbolaf wrote:
Again, you could not strike with weapon A, weapon B, and get another trip attack with your legs. You can only replace a melee attack with a trip attempt. The above example would be too many attacks unless you have some other means like a natural attack or such that would allow that type of sequence.

If you have the extra melee attack to replace with a trip, you can attack with both weapons and still trip with an UAS. Without TWF you can still use two weapons (or a weapon and an unarmed strike) to attack, you just don't get any extra attacks without the feat. TWF with a third weapon (UAS) is the same basic principle.

If you are a 1st level character with TWF, you cannot attack with each weapon and also make a trip attack with UAS, because you only have two attacks (primary and off-hand). You can make a trip attack with UAS in place of your primary weapon attack, and then make an attack with your off-hand weapon.

If you are a 6th level full BAB character with TWF, you can attack with both weapons and still trip with an UAS because a BAB of +6 grants you an extra iterative attack at +1 that can be used for the trip (plus your primary at +6 and off-hand attack).

I'm not sure what happens if you want to make an UAS trip with an off-hand attack, but I suspect it's OK since UAS can be used to make off-hand attacks. But you'd have to stick to using either primary or off-hand attacks for the UAS trip in a single turn (to make sure you're not making too many attacks with one weapon).


So I could trip with a UAS primary hand and then get my AoOs equal opportunity and then get vicious stomp AoO and then still get my regular offhand attack which would be a blade at the bonus for them being prone.


Well he is 12th level so he gets a +10/+10 for standard attacks. The point is for him not to depend on full attacks. So he would do a trip first at +10 (not counting other bonuses) and if he trips he gets two AoOs for greater trip and one AoO with vicious stomp all at +10 (before bonuses) and then he gets his offhand at +10 (before bonuses) and against a prone target


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Unless I am missing something, you should not get the off hand attack as part of the standard attack.

All of the various attacks of opportunity seem correct.

Shadow Lodge

Hendelbolaf wrote:
Unless I am missing something, you should not get the off hand attack as part of the standard attack.

You're missing the Two Weapon Warrior archetype, which has the ability to make a primary and off-hand attack as a standard action (level 9 ability, Doublestrike).

Works fine!


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Weirdo wrote:
Hendelbolaf wrote:
Unless I am missing something, you should not get the off hand attack as part of the standard attack.

You're missing the Two Weapon Warrior archetype, which has the ability to make a primary and off-hand attack as a standard action (level 9 ability, Doublestrike).

Works fine!

Thanks, I caught that now. It kind of slipped in the middle of the posts. It was just a little confusing as it is a gestalt character with archetypes, etc... enough to make the head explode!

Grand Lodge

Remember that to get multiple AoOs you need both a good Dex and the feat Combat Reflexes or something that grants you extra AoOs.

And, yes, I have a high Dex fighter type that uses a polearm to trip his target, and takes the AoO from Greater Trip to disarm the target...


When he makes an AoO with vicious stomp why can't he use his primary and off hand to attack with his unarmed strike and his two weapon Warrior ability to attack with primary and offhand?

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