No it doesn't, Enlarge Person only affects humanoids, tieflings and aasimars are outsiders
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
No it doesn't, Enlarge Person only affects humanoids, tieflings and aasimars are outsidersbut they are half human?
The spells work based upon "type", a game mechanic.There are various types: humanoid, outsider, dragon, undead, etc.
Despite being part human their type is outsider rather than humanoid. Game mechanics. Charm person and enlarge person work on type: humanoid but not type: outsider.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Yep, that's part of why in 3.0/3.5 D&D and even some Pathfinder GMs don't allow Teiflings/Aasiamars and other "planetouched" as a base race (requires a +1) because being immune to a whole slew of spells that only affect humanoids can be considered rather powerful.
Yep, that's part of why in 3.0/3.5 D&D and even some Pathfinder GMs don't allow Teiflings/Aasiamars and other "planetouched" as a base race (requires a +1) because being immune to a whole slew of spells that only affect humanoids can be considered rather powerful.
In 3.5 there was also an option to change their type so that they could be affected by those spells, and it would also reduce their LA to +0. Being an outsider has its perks!(and downsides)
|
Yeah, it doesn't work with outsiders, because it says it works on humanoids. It also gives immunities to dominate/hold person which means Angelkin Bloodragers (with the new ACG) or Fighters don't have to be as paranoid about will savesNeither does a human barbarian with the Superstitious rage power, and he can still be enlarged to be able to do massive damage.
I really don't think a +2 to STR and one size larger weapon qualifies as massive damage, aside from Reach, the penalties you get from the larger size far outweigh the bonuses.
|
Neither does a human barbarian with the Superstitious rage power, and he can still be enlarged to be able to do massive damage.
And you have to be a human barbarian. And still have a chance of failing the will save. Meanwhile an Angelkin Bloodrager can enlarge in combat with rage (and it says so in a few of the abilities) for the massive reach, and maintain massive damage. And the fighter can forgo the bonus reach and stuff, still be damage king, and not have the fighter glaring weakness of low will save.
| 4 people marked this as FAQ candidate. 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
No, doesn't work on Tieflings or Aasimar(or any other non humanoid race). You can however use a scroll or potion of enlarge person on yourself with a DC 25 Use Magic Device check to emulate another race.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
No, doesn't work on Tieflings or Aasimar(or any other non humanoid race). You can however use a scroll or potion of enlarge person on yourself with a DC 25 Use Magic Device check to emulate another race.
That's a ...novel... interpretation.
As far as I can tell an angel blooded aasimar who uses their alter self racial ability can then be enlarged.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
No, doesn't work on Tieflings or Aasimar(or any other non humanoid race). You can however use a scroll or potion of enlarge person on yourself with a DC 25 Use Magic Device check to emulate another race.
You emulate a race to activate the item, not to target it. In other words you make this check if the item for example can only be acivated by elves, you roll so you can activate the item when you are not an elf.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Sometimes one just has to accept that certain powerful race choices have drawbacks, too.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
I have to disagree with you on the UMD part.
Emulate a Race: Some magic items work only for members of certain races, or work better for members of those races. You can use such an item as if you were a member of a race of your choice. You can emulate only one race at a time.This would totally allow you to use a wand or potion of enlarge person as though you were an actual humanoid. It does not change the magic items effect, it cheats the magic item into believing that you are a valid and/or better target for the effect.
No, you cheat the item into believing you are a valid user. Not a valid target. that's what the whole skill is about. It says right in the first sentence.
You can use this skill to read a spell or to activate a magic item.
Yep, that's part of why in 3.0/3.5 D&D and even some Pathfinder GMs don't allow Teiflings/Aasiamars and other "planetouched" as a base race (requires a +1) because being immune to a whole slew of spells that only affect humanoids can be considered rather powerful.
It's really a double-edged sword. Enlarge and reduce person are among the best 1st level spell buffs and remain useful even at high levels. The frequency of charm person being used on you depends heavily on the GM and rarely ever comes up. Even so, many monsters capable of charming use charm monster instead. Finally, outsiders are still vulnerable to suggestion and other compulsion abilities. So being immune to charm person is a very minor benefit whereas being immune to enlarge/reduce is a hefty loss.
|
As far as I can tell an angel blooded aasimar who uses their alter self racial ability can then be enlarged.Alter Self or Polymorph spell don’t change the type of a creature, so this won’t work.
Even if it did change your type it wouldn't work. Alter Self is a polymorph spell and the in magic chapter under polymorph: "spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell."
An Ifrit however has an option to use a 1/day enlarge or reduce....
So does the Efreeti. Thing is, that's a spell-like ability, therefore it trumps the normal rules as spell-like abilities are not spells, they just emulate a spell. It would be extremely crazy to give a creature a spell-like ability it could not use. So, an Ifrit can use his spell-like ability to enlarge or reduce himself 1/day. However, if he's a sorcerer and learns the spell, he can't cast the spell on himself.
Ifrits can only Enlarge other Ifrits, not themselves.
Ah, no...
Efreeti Magic Some ifrits inherit an efreeti ancestor's ability to magically change a creature's size. They can cast either enlarge person or reduce person (the ifrit chooses when using this ability) once per day as a spell-like ability (caster level equals the ifrit's level). The ifrit can use this ability to affect other ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures. This racial trait replaces the spell-like ability racial trait.
Note the bolded part... it's saying that an Ifrit can use it on an ifrit because normally Enlarge Person cannot be used on an Ifrit at all because they are outsiders. Not that he can only use it on others.
It doesn't say "on ally" because he can't use it on a tiefling or an undine. By the normal RAW Enlarge Person only works on humanoids. An Ifrit gets a single exception to that rule, in that he can use it on ifrits. He is an ifrit.
Honestly, anyone who claims an Ifrit can't use it on himself is reading it way too critical.
|
No, seriously. This has come up multiple times before. It's even been confirmed by both the author and designers.
The word "other" actually matters. An Ifrit cannot use the ability on himself. Only other Ifrits.
"The ifrit can use this ability to affect other ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures."
No, seriously. This has come up multiple times before. It's even been confirmed by both the author and designers.
The word "other" actually matters. An Ifrit cannot use the ability on himself. Only other Ifrits.
"The ifrit can use this ability to affect other ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures."
Well, then good thing I don't play in PFS where I can't house rule it cause I think that's completely worthless to only be able to enlarge others but not yourself, specially when an actual Efretti specifically states it can be used on itself yet by the wording of that seems it cannot be used on other efreeti, or am I reading that wrong too?
Well, then good thing I don't play in PFS where I can't house rule it cause I think that's completely worthless to only be able to enlarge others but not yourself, specially when an actual Efretti specifically states it can be used on itself yet by the wording of that seems it cannot be used on other efreeti, or am I reading that wrong too?No, seriously. This has come up multiple times before. It's even been confirmed by both the author and designers.
The word "other" actually matters. An Ifrit cannot use the ability on himself. Only other Ifrits.
"The ifrit can use this ability to affect other ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures."
moot point
An ifrit is not an efreet just as orcs are not half-orcs; just as ferocity, an orc race trait, is not the same as orc ferocity, a half-orc trait.
This is the phrase:
The ifrit can use this ability to affect other ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures.
Not this
The ifrit can use this ability to affect ifrits as though they were humanoid creatures.
A word was added that explicitly changes the meaning, a word where its exclusion would mean the phrase means it can be used on oneself.
|
I have an Aasimar that enlarges herself all the time... ok once per day. I use a Titanic Breastplate.That's because it contains an explicit, specific clause that overrides the general rule of targeting Enlarge Person; it can affect the wearer, even if they are not humanoid.
Likewise, if you bypass the "targeting" altogether by stating that you gain the effect of Enlarge Person (ie. the Growth domain power), you're not being "targeted" by Enlarge Person but gaining the de facto effect so what it can or can't target is a moot point. As a rule of thumb, Spells and Spell-like Abilities are limited by targeting restrictions but most Supernatural and Extraordinary abilities will bypass them and just reference a spell for the Effect block (sometimes with minor or even major adjustments).
I saw this and then wondered...
Alchemy (Su): ... "An extract is “cast” by drinking it, as if imbibing a potion—the effects of an extract exactly duplicate the spell upon which its formula is based, save that the spell always affects only the drinking alchemist."
Does the "always affects" phrase over rule the humanoid restriction for effect?
