Master Frog - Grippli Agile Tongue Shenanigans?


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I've always had a soft spot for the Grippli race, and I am happy they are in Pathfinder. Their latest incarnation has this feat called Agile Tongue, which allows them to use Sleight of Hand, Steal, and Disarm maneuvers at a range of 10ft, and deliver touch attacks with it. This struck me as particularly amusing.

So what do Grippli have going for them? +2 Dex and +2 Wis, -2 Str. Small size, 30ft speed and a 20ft Climb speed, +4 to Stealth in Forest or Swamp terrain, Swamp Stride - ignore difficult terrain in Swamps, proficiency with nets, Darkvision.

Now I'm not keen on the stealth bonus or the Swamp Stride, but luckily there are some alternate racial traits. Glider (you can glide) replaces Swamp Stride, Jumper (always considered to have a running start when jumping) replaces the Stealth bonus. Toxic Skin (1/day Dex-based poison) replaces both. Princely (+2 Intimidate and Diplomacy, gain Rapier proficiency) replaces Swamp Stride and the Net proficiency.

The first thing that came to mind was a Maneuver Master Monk called Master Frog that focussed on Disarm and Steal, and to a lesser extent Sleight of Hand (using a trait to gain it as a class skill). Now this is not particularly powerful, but is funny. The Glider and Jumper traits seem good choices, though the Princely one can help make him a Face character. Agile Tongue is the level 1 feat, and Improved Disarm the Monk Bonus. Stats something like: S 12, D 16, Co 13, I 12, W 16, Ch 10. Agile Maneuvers is something to pick soon as his CMB is not going to be good. Damage is going to be quite weak, but Stunning Fist may be decent. AC will be okay, and mobility is excellent with the Climb speed. Going with some sort of ranged Monk may be best.

The next thing that occurs to me is a touch spell focused mage, which sounds weird when you consider he's delivering it at 10ft range - with his tongue. While on a wall or ceiling.

Any other Grippli fans out there with thoughts on these concepts or other fun Grippli builds?


I'll keep an eye on this, i quite like the grippli myself.


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What about making him a mutant frog, and going Aberrant Bloodline Sorcerer focused on touch attacks? by 3rd level, you're making touch attacks at 15 feet with your tongue, which ends up going as far as 25 feet by 17th level if your game goes that far. The Acidic Ray ability even feels thematic in a way.

Silver Crusade

The Aberrant Sorcerer could be super cool - and creepy. I like the idea.


Plus, the aberrant sorcerer would fit princely, as you'll have good CHA for a face role. If you still want to do maneuvers, go into eldritch knight.


It's not the best race for an arcane trickster but it's far from the worse. All the bonus movement types are rocking.

Grand Lodge

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My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

Racial heritage was a bad, bad idea...

Grand Lodge

I Hate Nickelback wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

Racial heritage was a bad, bad idea...

Oh, I absolutely love it.

For a Scion of Humanity Aasimar, I love it more.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

" Watch the tongue sweetheart, I've seen him lick his eyebrow clean." Works to replace weapon cords for a TWF gunslinger, I dislike the visuals of slurping a hot pistol with the tongue while reloading the other pistol, but mechanically it can work.

Grand Lodge

Yes, very Akaname.

Dark Archive

I am playing in a Shattered Star AP with a Grippli Hospitaler. It has been fun to use Agile Tongue to pass out healing without dropping my shield or Sword. This is where I was getting inspiration from Chrono Trigger.


Great idea especially with a Magus - tounge touch attack at reach and melee close and with manuver mastery could touch attack and make a combat manuver at the same time !!


blackbloodtroll wrote:
I Hate Nickelback wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

Racial heritage was a bad, bad idea...

Oh, I absolutely love it.

For a Scion of Humanity Aasimar, I love it more.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs15/f/2007/072/3/7/frog_by_mediumbashar.jpg


i like the grippli alchemist who focus on his own poison.

Silver Crusade

Racial Heritage? So a human with a 10ft tongue. Wow, that is disturbing... XD

But a touch-spell sorcerer with the Aberrant bloodline whether human with Racial Heritage or Grippli, sounds pretty interesting.

Shadow Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

I hate you for making me realize this awesomely hilarious idea exists. <3 Hehe. I am soooooooo doing this now.

Grand Lodge

The Morphling wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

I hate you for making me realize this awesomely hilarious idea exists. <3 Hehe. I am soooooooo doing this now.

Check out the Japanese mythological creature, Akaname, or "Filth/Red Licker" for ideas.


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It's even better when you mix racial heritage with the aberrant bloodline. Suddenly that long tongue is just another feature of his bloodline.

I've used the Eldritch Heritage and Racial Heritage feats to great effect with The Raven King.


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

My favorite?

Racial Heritage(Grippli), and Agile Tongue.

I wonder if that would give a +4 bonus on seduction attempts.


A Monk of the Lotus with Touch of Serenity would be interesting.

A Fey blooded sorcerer could have fun with Laughing Touch with reach.

A evil cleric with Cause Wounds spells might be fun. Harm at range sounds like a good time.

Shadow Lodge

Sir Culer wrote:

A Monk of the Lotus with Touch of Serenity would be interesting.

A Fey blooded sorcerer could have fun with Laughing Touch with reach.

A evil cleric with Cause Wounds spells might be fun. Harm at range sounds like a good time.

Lick of Serenity. Mmmm.

I realized, though, that that's not even the best one.

Magical Tail on a human. :3

Or, even more absurd:

Fox Shape

Racial Heritage is silly. :P


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Ok, tonight, I MUST build a magical tail racial heritage human. I just have to. Dont know what class it'll be, but eh!

Grand Lodge

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Must make a Tetori Monk Grippli with high dex/wis and agile maneuvers, must be the Grippli Grappler! Now the question can I do it with my tongue with a potion of lockjaw hmm.


The Morphling wrote:
Sir Culer wrote:

A Monk of the Lotus with Touch of Serenity would be interesting.

A Fey blooded sorcerer could have fun with Laughing Touch with reach.

A evil cleric with Cause Wounds spells might be fun. Harm at range sounds like a good time.

Lick of Serenity. Mmmm.

I realized, though, that that's not even the best one.

Magical Tail on a human. :3

Or, even more absurd:

Fox Shape

Racial Heritage is silly. :P

Is Racial Heritage PFS legal? I have some GMs to playfully annoy...


spectrevk wrote:


Is Racial Heritage PFS legal? I have some GMs to playfully annoy...

It's not listed as being banned on the additional resources page so as long as you have the Advanced Player's Guide, are playing a human character, and have two non-combat feats to burn it should be PFS legal although it would be reasonable for a PFS GM to require you have Grippli/Kisune enabled character sheet. The bolded would be the biggest discouragement for me wrt PFS, but there is still the adopted social trait from Ultimate Campaign which is also society legal.


I love gripplis! I really want to play a Grippli Druid with the Frog Domain and a Giant Frog mount. It's a frog with a frog familiar riding a frog.

Or a backwoods grippli cleric with the Frog/Feather Domains and a Giant Wasp companion.


I used the "Super Tongue" for a cleric with madness and Chaos domains.
The imagery for madness was quite humorous.


cnetarian wrote:
spectrevk wrote:


Is Racial Heritage PFS legal? I have some GMs to playfully annoy...
It's not listed as being banned on the additional resources page so as long as you have the Advanced Player's Guide, are playing a human character, and have two non-combat feats to burn it should be PFS legal although it would be reasonable for a PFS GM to require you have Grippli/Kisune enabled character sheet. The bolded would be the biggest discouragement for me wrt PFS, but there is still the adopted social trait from Ultimate Campaign which is also society legal.

Actually, while you can take racial heritage in PFS, you still cannot select any race restricted feats from the ARG for any other race. Thus anything outside the ARG is fair game for Racial Heritage, but not any racial feats in the ARG itself.


karossii wrote:


Actually, while you can take racial heritage in PFS, you still cannot select any race restricted feats from the ARG for any other race. Thus anything outside the ARG is fair game for Racial Heritage, but not any racial feats in the ARG itself.

Right, missed that note, was looking at what was banned/allowed and skimmed right over it. Darn.


Interesting, if I assign my Kitsune boon chronicle to a human character, then take racial heritage with that character, since the Kitsune race is now an allowed source for that character can I now access the feats?

Mainly because I can't find a character concept I want to play with a Kitsune.


TGMaxMaxer wrote:

Interesting, if I assign my Kitsune boon chronicle to a human character, then take racial heritage with that character, since the Kitsune race is now an allowed source for that character can I now access the feats?

Mainly because I can't find a character concept I want to play with a Kitsune.

NO, my bad, I missed the additional resources section on the Advanced Race Guide note which says: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Sorry for any confusion caused by my mistake.

Dark Archive

I think the next time I play a Grippli will be a Bard with a Banjo.


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I'm thinking a Grippli Cavalier named Sir Mitt deFrog. With his Warboar mount, Miss Piggy. Whatever order gets perform and inspire.

Shadow Lodge

cnetarian wrote:
TGMaxMaxer wrote:

Interesting, if I assign my Kitsune boon chronicle to a human character, then take racial heritage with that character, since the Kitsune race is now an allowed source for that character can I now access the feats?

Mainly because I can't find a character concept I want to play with a Kitsune.

NO, my bad, I missed the additional resources section on the Advanced Race Guide note which says: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Sorry for any confusion caused by my mistake.

Of course, the feat states you count as the chosen race for all purposes. So... only Elves can be Elf Archetypes, and my human counts as an Elf. Yet another instance of confusing wording.

TGMaxMaxer wrote:

Interesting, if I assign my Kitsune boon chronicle to a human character, then take racial heritage with that character, since the Kitsune race is now an allowed source for that character can I now access the feats?

Mainly because I can't find a character concept I want to play with a Kitsune.

No, because adding the Kitsune boon to your Human character doesn't do a thing to change what is a "legal source" for him. Kitsune material is always a "legal source" for him, he just doesn't meet the prerequisites and the material is off limits.

It's debatable whether Racial Heritage is enough for him to qualify as a Kitsune character - but applying the Kitsune Boon to him will neither help nor hurt his chances.


Could a Grippli use Agile Tongue to reload guns? Say, a Grippli Gunslinger that was dual-wielding pistols, and had the feats and whatnot to bring reloading down to a free action?

It seems to me the Sleight of Hand and Steal maneuvers the feat enables would allow for enough precision to reload a gun. However, the feat doesn't say you can wield a weapon with the tongue; I'm not sure if reloading a weapon would somehow be considered as "wielding" it.


mojo27 wrote:

Could a Grippli use Agile Tongue to reload guns? Say, a Grippli Gunslinger that was dual-wielding pistols, and had the feats and whatnot to bring reloading down to a free action?

By RAW, no, you couldn't. You can only only use the tongue for the listed actions. However, if you have a lenient GM, he/she might allow it, since it fits thematically.


You could definitely hold one weapon with a tongue or prehensile tail while your two hands reload a second.

You could not reload the gun with the tongue or tail, I don't think...that would be debatable.

You can definitely not wield the gun with the prehensile appendage. That is explicitly stated. But reloading is not wielding.

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