Huh. I'd have just statted up a wayfinder, then added the wayfinder again twice with the multiplier for different abilities. 60k+ seems pretty crazy.
Huh....
Well a major ring of energy resistance gives ER 20 continuous... and that costs 28,000
So since a 24 hour duration is nearly continuous but as a spell the effect is dispellable I would discount that price slightly. Also, however, if you can choose the energy type each day... that pretty much offsets those other factors... it may even be MORE valuable. But since you are looking for a discount price... I would still use 28,000 as the cost for that ability. If you were trying to craft that item I would probably bump it up by 25%
Well... IT may be relevant to note that 42000 is indeed the base cost for adding energy resistance 20 to armor. And that is also only one type. But that is adding an ability to an armor item that may or may not have other properties... and I would think that they are treating it like an extra ability and using the +50% rule. Since the ring is 28000, adding 50% gives you 42000.
So... either way this is a bit of a toughy. I stand by my original judgement for the most part. Since the question is about reducing a cost I would go with 28000 as the low end of possible numbers. It is also quite possible that the wayfinder was built with 50% reductions in some abilities because of the similar abilities clause.
If a player wanted to make a changeable energy resistance item... I would probably use the 42000g price
Sounds too expensive TBH.
I would consider reducing the cost of additional cantrips by 50% each,
Ultimately, these are pretty weak abilities... so the cost should reflect that. A Cloak of the Hedge Wizard gives 2 CL 1 cantrips at will and two 1/day 1st level spells... and that only costs 2500g. It would be a hard sell to me to say that someone should pay 18000 gold for four cantrips.
I think that instead of using the at will casting rules you should use continuous rules... noting that they can be shut off and turned back on. Since read magic, detect magic and light have no level based effects other than duration, keep them at CL 1. So continuous CL1, cantrip with 10min/lvl duration is 0.5x1x2000 = 1000 then x1.5 due to the duration, so you have 1500 each for those spells, which are use activated at will just like the example given of a lantern of revealing.
Then for arcane mark, I would again use CL 1, since it has no level dependent effects, all you are doing by making it CL 10 is raising the cost. So 0.5x1x1800 = 900g.
Then I would reduce again since these are multiple similar abilities.
So 1500 + 1500x0.75 + 1500x0.5 + 900x0.5 = 3825gp
Comparing that to a Hedge Wizard Cloak... seems fair.
Adding in your base cost for the wayfinder, and you get 30925 as a base cost which I would round off to 30,900...
and a construction cost of 15,450g
I gotta say that for a handful of cantrips I thin kyou are adding way way too much to the cost.
@Joe1288: You forgot several things.
Daylight (3rd) on command
Resist Energy is also Ranger 1st, so use 1st level as spell level
Multiple effects add 50%
Totaling this gets about 200,000 gp
Comparing the 136,000 gp, it looks like they gave it a 31% discount.
Pricing the Ebon Wayfinder (holds 2 stones, 18,000 gp) gives a 31% discount
Pricing the standard Wayfinder (holds 1 stone, 500 gp) gives an 89% discount
Looks like the number of stones has no appreciable effect to the spell cost.
/cevah
good call I saw light & just thought it was the lvl 0 one...my bad. :p
But the maker of the item needs to be able to cast all of the spells... rangers cant cast any of the other spells in CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS: just sayin. & I think they put it under multiple similar abilities which is a discount. not multiple effects.
thanks tho
1) The crafter provides the feat. Another can provide the spell or add 5 to the DC.
2) Price is based on lowest caster. Cost is not.I think you are right on the collection rule, so here is the pricing:
spell SL CL Factor Multiplier Sum Effectivly Newsum
daylight 4 10 1800 1 72000 1 72000
dimension door 4 10 1800 0.2 14400 0.75 10800
feather fall 1 10 1800 1 18000 0.5 9000
knock 2 10 1800 1 36000 0.5 18000
resist energy 1 10 2000 1.5 30000 0.5 15000
Total is 124800, which leaves 11200 for all other properties.
/jeff
I think your 45K version is close to correct than 11K.
What you're really trying to value is the resonant powers of the wayfinder. Several of those are feats (not all highly coveted feats, but still good ones) and other valuable abilities (the ubiquitous protection from evil one for instance). All of those abilities are slotless as well, doubling their value.
One of the best examples of the cost of a mediocre feat is the dark blue rhomboid ioun stone, which grants Alertness, for 10k on a slotless item. Going by that, a wayfinder should be 10k, and a three stone wayfinder should be 30k (10k + 10k + 10k, no +50% for secondary effects on slotless items).
One can argue the relative value of the feats/abilities, but the additional ability to *change* them with different stones could easily add 50% to the total. Although there is also the additional cost of the ioun stones themselves.
Essentially, the low cost of a Wayfinder is a "gimme" to the Pathfinder Society (in-game and out), providing a much larger benefit than cost. The multiple-stone wayfinders recognize that and are priced accordingly. You get benefits to match since you're paying for effects that go away when the ioun stones are slotted.
The value of a wayfinder's resonant powers is already included in the price of the wayfinder. Resonant powers are fun but not terribly powerful, and in the case of the optional random resonance rules acquiring them can be quite risky (as in "oops, I slagged my 10,000 gp ioun stone" risky). That's why wayfinders don't cost all that much.
As for the benefit of having more than one resonant power in a single wayfinder, the guidelines already provide a mechanism for accounting for multiple abilities in the same "slot": the "multiple different abilities" multiplier. While this is typically used to allow combining, e.g., multiple rings into a single ring slot, it serves perfectly well to combine abilities into a person's "wayfinder slot".
I stand by the pricing of multiple slots on a wayfinder simply adding another 750 gp (500 * 1.5 for multiple different abilities) per extra slot to the price of the item. If you want to play the resonance lotto and trick out your wayfinder with a dozen dull grey ioun stones, I don't see a mechanical reason to make it cost more than 8,750 gp plus the cost of the stones when that gold could be spent much more effectively on a less risky item with better focus.
If it seems cheesy, you could always rule that the resultant item only allowed one resonant power to function at a time (wielder's choice).