Concerning Smokesticks and Gaining Concealment


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Grand Lodge

I am trying to build a PFS rogue character to take advantage of the Moonlight Stalker feat chain:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/ultimateCombatFeats.html# moonlight-stalker

In order to do so, I need a way to regularly and consistently give myself concealment. As a PFS character, you are capped at level 12, so I need something that I can start doing relatively early on, I.E. level 2-4.

First, I've been looking at buying a whole bunch of smokesticks and their derivatives to get concealment. Can I light a smokestick and attach it to myself or my clothing to surround myself in concealing smoke? Can I use the smoke arrow as a smaller smokestick without having to fire it from a bow? Can I tie a tindertwig (match) directly to a smokestick with twine and then be able light both with one action?

A bit more of an exotic idea, can have an unseen servant carry a sheet infront of me everywhere I go to give myself concealment?

Are there any other ways I'm not thinking of to consistently give myself concealment?

Addendum: I am aware of mistmail, but as it is a chain shirt it limits my Dex benefit to only +4, and as a rogue I need all the AC I can get.


Blur spell. Or the blur cloak.

Darkness SLA of a tiefling (provided no darkvision on enemies)

Eversmoking bottle.

Obscuring mist and a level dip into oracle for the firesight/waves mystery fogsight stuff. (that's my favorite)

Note, you have to be able to see thru the concealment you are using to sneak attack (you cannot sneak attack someone with concealment) which means you need to see thru the smoke.

Goz mask will let anyone do this without the oracle/sorc/other type of fog/mist/smoke sight.


If you stay still, a smokestick should work. It fills a 10' cube, so as long as you remain in the cloud you have concealment per fog cloud. The cloud isn't going to move with you after the first round, though, as the smokestick has been consumed. If you move while it's activating, I'd rule that it either didn't work or that it fills the spot you end up in, as you spend most of the almost-one round after lighting the smoke stick at the destination.

Edit: Good point; you'd have to be able to see through fog somehow. Your Moonlight Stalker bonuses should still work (there's no target concealment clause), but your sneak attack would be boned.

Grand Lodge

Thanks for your quick response! I've thought of a few of those things as well, but they don't seem to be the best solutions (at least to me).

As a rogue, I can't get blur with the magic talents as it is a second level spell (and taking two levels in Wizard seems silly), and the cloaks cost 25,000 and 50,000 GP respectively, they can't be purchased until level six or seven.

The Tiefling SLA is only once per day, so it misses the consistency I'm looking for.

After reading about the eversmoking bottle, it seems like it'd be a GREAT way to piss off your entire party.


Three levels in wizard.

Yes, smoky stuff irritates GMs and Players alike. A few times, here and there throughout months of adventuring, and nobody really gets too bent. Start using it in every fight, and everyone, good guy and bad guy, is rolling lots of miss chances, and it won't take long at all before everyone at the table, including you, is very tired of this tactic.

Just sayin.

So if you don't want too many player and GM enemies, maybe stick with stealth and flanking until you can get invisibility and then eventually greater invisibility, and everyone will love you forever.

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