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As for stopping the government, the Democrats could have accepted any of the Republican proposals and kept the government running.
I thought Americans had a thing about not negotiating with terrorist?
Or is that just in the movies?
That's not what checks and balances is.
No idea what that is supposed to mean.
Checks and balances is the interaction of the three branches of government.
No s&%@.
The existence of the judicial branch is protected in the Constitution.
That I didn't know (well, specifically I didn't know the funding was protected), but was previously explained upthread. But thanks anyway.
That's the way the Constitution works (and thank god! because it stops 'kiss the baby' laws which don't consider funding).
Only they could have stopped those in the first place, rather than defunding them after they're already law. But whatever. We get it. Obama did it.
Wow... The blocking of supply happened once in Australian history. Constitutionally if a governments supply is blocked (by the Senate (upper house)) it is dismissed and elections are called.... There is also the problem that there is a conflicting part of the constitution - A government may govern as long as it has the support of the lower house (House of Representatives)) .
In 1975 the Conservatives (who controlled the Senate) blocked Supply to the Labor party who controlled the House of Reps... Deadlock ensued until the Queens Representative the Governor General dismissed the Labor Prime-minister and new elections were called.
Yeah, because your government (and every other modern Democracy) is set up in a sane way. You don't have elections that run for 4 years, for example. We kinda did everything first, then everyone else jumped on the boat but fixed our kinks and glitches, or at least put into place mechanisms TO fix the kinks and glitches that might, in future, arise.
Unfortunately we have a Constitution that is written in stone and it is EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT in our current political climate to change any of the actual rules that govern the system. Like, making water run uphill hard.
“When President Obama sees negotiating with Iran as a more reasonable option than negotiating with Republicans over the debt ceiling, we are through the looking glass.”
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Wow... The blocking of supply happened once in Australian history. Constitutionally if a governments supply is blocked (by the Senate (upper house)) it is dismissed and elections are called.... There is also the problem that there is a conflicting part of the constitution - A government may govern as long as it has the support of the lower house (House of Representatives)) .
In 1975 the Conservatives (who controlled the Senate) blocked Supply to the Labor party who controlled the House of Reps... Deadlock ensued until the Queens Representative the Governor General dismissed the Labor Prime-minister and new elections were called.
Yeah, because your government (and every other modern Democracy) is set up in a sane way. You don't have elections that run for 4 years, for example. We kinda did everything first, then everyone else jumped on the boat but fixed our kinks and glitches, or at least put into place mechanisms TO fix the kinks and glitches that might, in future, arise.
Unfortunately we have a Constitution that is written in stone and it is EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT in our current political climate to change any of the actual rules that govern the system. Like, making water run uphill hard.
Not to mention that it is some 300 years old. Kinda dated.
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Wow... The blocking of supply happened once in Australian history. Constitutionally if a governments supply is blocked (by the Senate (upper house)) it is dismissed and elections are called.... There is also the problem that there is a conflicting part of the constitution - A government may govern as long as it has the support of the lower house (House of Representatives)) .
In 1975 the Conservatives (who controlled the Senate) blocked Supply to the Labor party who controlled the House of Reps... Deadlock ensued until the Queens Representative the Governor General dismissed the Labor Prime-minister and new elections were called.
Yeah, because your government (and every other modern Democracy) is set up in a sane way. You don't have elections that run for 4 years, for example. We kinda did everything first, then everyone else jumped on the boat but fixed our kinks and glitches, or at least put into place mechanisms TO fix the kinks and glitches that might, in future, arise.
Unfortunately we have a Constitution that is written in stone and it is EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT in our current political climate to change any of the actual rules that govern the system. Like, making water run uphill hard.
Constitutional Convention kiddies. Let's get her done.
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I look forward to the day when we'll hate all the idiots that get elected, not just half of them.
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After you read it, let us know what's in it.
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Ahh, so you're for the indefinite maintenance of a grossly bloated government? You do know where the money comes from to support that, don't you? The thing the lefties are most scared of with this is that it will show just how much of the government is simply unnecessary...
Is that the Government with or without the essential services that have been protected and carry on regardless? It's one thing to cut access to national parks, but quite another to stop paying the military, police officers, firemen..
Ahh, so you're for the indefinite maintenance of a grossly bloated government? You do know where the money comes from to support that, don't you? The thing the lefties are most scared of with this is that it will show just how much of the government is simply unnecessary...Is that the Government with or without the essential services that have been protected and carry on regardless? It's one thing to cut access to national parks, but quite another to stop paying the military, police officers, firemen..
Only one of out of your three examples is federally funded . . . :P
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Only one of out of your three examples is federally funded . . . :PAhh, so you're for the indefinite maintenance of a grossly bloated government? You do know where the money comes from to support that, don't you? The thing the lefties are most scared of with this is that it will show just how much of the government is simply unnecessary...Is that the Government with or without the essential services that have been protected and carry on regardless? It's one thing to cut access to national parks, but quite another to stop paying the military, police officers, firemen..
Yeah, I know. Point still stands though. State Government is still, you know, Government.
Constitutional Convention kiddies. Let's get her done.Wow... The blocking of supply happened once in Australian history. Constitutionally if a governments supply is blocked (by the Senate (upper house)) it is dismissed and elections are called.... There is also the problem that there is a conflicting part of the constitution - A government may govern as long as it has the support of the lower house (House of Representatives)) .
In 1975 the Conservatives (who controlled the Senate) blocked Supply to the Labor party who controlled the House of Reps... Deadlock ensued until the Queens Representative the Governor General dismissed the Labor Prime-minister and new elections were called.
Yeah, because your government (and every other modern Democracy) is set up in a sane way. You don't have elections that run for 4 years, for example. We kinda did everything first, then everyone else jumped on the boat but fixed our kinks and glitches, or at least put into place mechanisms TO fix the kinks and glitches that might, in future, arise.
Unfortunately we have a Constitution that is written in stone and it is EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT in our current political climate to change any of the actual rules that govern the system. Like, making water run uphill hard.
Yep we copied a very large portion of your constitution... The Dismissal as is it is called did cause some considerable angst... It fostered the Australian Republican (get rid of the Monarchy - not the political party) Movement. The conservatives won the election... Luckily the new Prime Minister enacted many of the reforms that the previous government had started.
A quick YouTube rundown on The Dismissal. For anybody that is interested.
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“When President Obama sees negotiating with Iran as a more reasonable option than negotiating with Republicans over the debt ceiling, we are through the looking glass.”
President Obama isn't even part of Congress. And, as has been previously discussed in this thread, no negotiation is possible. Republicans are holding the entire federal government hostage until they get exactly what they want. They have refused, repeatedly, to go to the negotiating table. You don't negotiate with that. You brace yourself for the crap storm and then mop up after them, because they're infants.
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Again, this is Congress we're talking about. The Presidency doesn't enter into it. If you want a functional government, tell the Tea Party to stop shutting it down.
The desire of some to blame this on the President is just so freaking telling. Cause a disaster and blame it on the President is the entire GOP platform, at this point.
Is that the Government with or without the essential services that have been protected and carry on regardless? It's one thing to cut access to national parks, but quite another to stop paying the military, police officers, firemen..Only one of out of your three examples is federally funded . . . :P
What about in D.C.? Isn't that basically run and funded by the federal gov't?
Just sayin'...
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Leans in a chair in a corner of the thread reading a thick book called Senseless dysfunctional government by B. ObamaAgain, this is Congress we're talking about. The Presidency doesn't enter into it. If you want a functional government, tell the Tea Party to stop shutting it down.
The desire of some to blame this on the President is just so freaking telling. Cause a disaster and blame it on the President is the entire GOP platform, at this point.
Yeah, never understood that. Why is everything crappy that happens in the U.S. somehow Obama's fault? I mean the man is no angel, but he is not a monster.
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What amazes me is that, in countries governed by individuals with a spirit of public service, who have a (perhaps irrational) faith in the power of government as a tool of its citizens and in democracy itself, the government functions and the will of the people is (by and large) done.
When you are governed by people who show outrageous disdain for democracy, the government, and its people, and who say time and again that the government is an incompetent behemoth, shockingly, the government is dysfunctional.
I wish we could get our act together and be the former instead of the latter.
As for stopping the government, the Democrats could have accepted any of the Republican proposals and kept the government running.I thought Americans had a thing about not negotiating with terrorist?
Or is that just in the movies?
When you agree with them they're not terrorists they're CHHAAAAAMPIOOOONS OF FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOHM!
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Why for f&+!'s sake would we ever want a democracy?? Tyranny by the majority is frightening. As a gay man, there was a time when a democracy would have had me lobotomized "for my own good". Even now, thanks to democracy, I'm treated as a second class citizen.
Republics (which we'd be if we followed the 9th and 10th amendments) are what I prefer.
Are you sure you weren't lobotomized?
Leans in a chair in a corner of the thread reading a thick book called Senseless dysfunctional government by B. ObamaAfter you read it, let us know what's in it.
Odd, the only words in this book are: "I will not compromise." It's printed over and over and over again.
Oh, wait. Someone named H. Reed-Obstructionist, has their autograph on the dedication page.
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Obamas major fault in dealing with the republicans is assuming there was either sense or goodwill in them.
What I love is that the republicans want to delay the ACA for a year in exchange for only 6 weeks of funding.
