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As the name suggests I'm creating a Half-elven sorcerer with the Sylvan Wildblood bloodline and I'm looking at a one level dip into another class. You see this character will be taking Boon Companion at level one which will boost him from my Sorcerer Level - 3 to my Sorcerer Level + 1 and since I can't use that additional + 1 I'm thinking of taking a small dip into another class to grab some useful things once I hit level 2 (mind you this is a theoretical character so I don't have anything campaign specific I'm looking at). My character is also going to grab the Eldritch Heritage feats and get the Arcane Bloodline so that I can also have a nice familiar (which I will also grab Boon Companion for and make it a Pooka at level 7). With that in mind, anyone got any advice on what class would best go with a Sylvan Sorcerer?
Edit: Hm, swear I wrote a bit more about him. Ah well, guess I'll do that now. First I'll give you all some backstory.
Zylynon (that's his name for now) is the son of a long line of human druids on his father's side and a long line of elven magi (Wizards in this case) on his mother's side. At a young age the two (who did live with each other) found that their son had a knack for magic, but not in the way of his father or his mother. His mother quickly realized that their son was in fact a sorcerer with a penchant for animals (something he must have gotten from his father's side, no doubt). Both his mother and father sought to aid him in cultivating his talent for magic (I mean what elven mother and druid father wouldn't want their son to kind of follow in their footsteps?).
That is all I have for now. I hope this makes my character a little clearer (apologies Chess Pwn for not making it clearer). I intend for him to get the Eldritch Heritage for the Arcane Bloodline and roleplay that is his mother's long magical lineage manifesting itself as well. The Pooka ... well, Fey creature, Sylvan Sorcerer. Makes sense to me at least.
correct me if I'm mistaken, but so far you have nothing in mind besides a sorcerer that could possibly take a dip into something. That gives us nothing to work on.
There aren't that many dips which would be good for a full caster. Maybe spellslinger wizard, maybe bloodrager with mad magic, maybe heavens oracle for the color spray booster. None is a killer app though.
There aren't that many dips which would be good for a full caster. Maybe spellslinger wizard, maybe bloodrager with mad magic, maybe heavens oracle for the color spray booster. None is a killer app though.
I've actually been looking at the Alchemist since I posted this and it seems like the Bramble Brewer could be rather nice. The mutagen giving me a + 4 to AC would certainly help (and a + 2 to Dex if I so desired).
The only dip really worth considering is Oracle for either Heaven to make your Color Spray terrifying (As mentioned above) or to pick up one of the CHA to AC mysteries. CHA to AC is going to be way more helpful to your AC then something like Bramble Brewer.
Terrible idea multiclassing a sorcerer, IMHO. You are already one level behind on spell progression to a wizard. Why slow that down even more? For an AC bonus? Really? Ugh...stay away from the enemies and the +4 AC won't mean that much to you.
Terrible idea multiclassing a sorcerer, IMHO. You are already one level behind on spell progression to a wizard. Why slow that down even more? For an AC bonus? Really? Ugh...stay away from the enemies and the +4 AC won't mean that much to you.
Magical Knack, can work wonders. Besides, what this thread really is is me asking the community if there is any good combination. Obviously from what everyone is telling me there aren't a whole heck of a lot.
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Here are the only detours that I would consider for a sylvan sorcerer:
1) A 1 level dip into Heavens for Awesome Display Revelation. Someone did a whole build involving a roc-riding gnome illusionist that was really quite effective.
2) Going evangelist prestige class and losing one level of spell casting for six skill points a level and more hit points that advances every other aspect of your class.
I was very tempted to go evangelist on Zahra, my sylvan sorc, but in the end decided that I wanted more spells known (human FCB for sorcerers) rather than lose a casting level and delay haste and such.
Hmm
Here are the only detours that I would consider for a sylvan sorcerer:
1) A 1 level dip into Heavens for Awesome Display Revelation. Someone did a whole build involving a roc-riding gnome illusionist that was really quite effective.
2) Going evangelist prestige class and losing one level of spell casting for six skill points a level and more hit points that advances every other aspect of your class.
I was very tempted to go evangelist on Zahra, my sylvan sorc, but in the end decided that I wanted more spells known (human FCB for sorcerers) rather than lose a casting level and delay haste and such.
Hmm
Interesting, I have not really looked at the Evangelist before but I must say it seems like it would be quite nice for him (what with Magical Knack and Boon Companion I shouldn't be chafing too much from that first level).
Evangelist is beautiful for sorcs and clerics who suffer from too few skill points.
What god do you worship?
I'm not quite sure, actually. I'm thinking of a god who is rather close to the fey (perhaps even one of the Eldest?) and to nature. I see him as someone who loves nature and knowledge, traits he picked up from his parents, but not being an incredibly nice person (not evil, mind you, more like a Druid's mindset with an arcane twist to it).
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Take a look at Walter's Guide to Deific Obediences. I'm betting you can find a deific obedience you like. (Irori's is nothing short of amazing for a knowledge character.) If nothing else, Erastil's boon is great for animal companion classs.
Hmm
Take a look at Walter's Guide to Deific Obediences. I'm betting you can find a deific obedience you like. (Irori's is nothing short of amazing for a knowledge character.) If nothing else, Erastil's boon is great for animal companion classs.
Hmm
After taking a look I'm not sure if Evangelist is right for Zylynon (I really like the idea if him worshiping one of the Eldest, which he learned through his Fey/ Sylvan affinity and from his folks). However I see a lot of potential for other builds I've been wanting to try (the Kirin Style monk looks especially pleasing) so thank you for reminding me that this guide exists.
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Terrible idea multiclassing a sorcerer, IMHO. You are already one level behind on spell progression to a wizard. Why slow that down even more? For an AC bonus? Really? Ugh...stay away from the enemies and the +4 AC won't mean that much to you.Magical Knack, can work wonders. Besides, what this thread really is is me asking the community if there is any good combination. Obviously from what everyone is telling me there aren't a whole heck of a lot.
Magical Knack only works for increasing your caster level for purposes of level dependent aspects. It does not give you spells known, or spells per day. You still have the spells known and spells per day of your actual sorcerer level.
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Magical Knack only works for increasing your caster level for purposes of level dependent aspects. It does not give you spells known, or spells per day. You still have the spells known and spells per day of your actual sorcerer level.
OP had me scrambling for my wallet to get a copy of ultimate campaign. I didn't think it worked like that, but it's good to see some confirmation. Might mitigate some of the CL issues, though.
Magical Knack only works for increasing your caster level for purposes of level dependent aspects. It does not give you spells known, or spells per day. You still have the spells known and spells per day of your actual sorcerer level.
... And this is why I make these threads, to help make my characters shine and to clear up things I've gotten completely wrong (I've only been playing Pathfinder for two months now).
I think in the end I'm just gonna stick with going Sorcerer and nothing else.
well, you can add archetypes.
seeker is added nicely to your build, adding trap finding and nice buff,
If my GM would allow me use it (Sylvan and Seeker both change the 15th level ability) it could be quite flavorful considering I'm thinking of making him worship Ng the Hooded (a being of secrets, and a patron of wanderers and the seasons).
Okay, so I am going to revive this thread and ask for some more advice on this character (although this time it won't be about multiclassing). I'm going with a fey theme for this half-elf and I'm trying to think of an appropriate animal companion for him. Anyone know any animals that can be a companion that are particularly fey-like? I'm also trying to figure out where he is from and my knowledge of Golarion geography is patchy at best, so with that in mind where would a good place for a half-elf to be from considering his mother is an elven wizard and his father a human druid (who live together, mind you)?
What are your mechanical requirements? An Elk feels appropriately fey-ish to me - but I think you'd have to wait until level 7 to be able to ride it.
What are your mechanical requirements? An Elk feels appropriately fey-ish to me - but I think you'd have to wait until level 7 to be able to ride it.
Well, I don't have Ride so I'll never be fantastic at it (used Beast Bond so I could actually get Animal Handling, wish that would automatically come with the companion). As for requirements, not much. I'm planning on taking Eldritch Heritage to obtain the Arcane bloodline and a familiar which I will eventually turn into a Pooka (or another fey familiar) and will say it's my mother's long line of magi manifesting itself in my blood alongside my father's own long line of druids. I'm also going to assume my DM (when I find a game for him) has okayed me taking the Seeker archetype since he is curious about his own powers and is out in the world looking for knowledge on his powers.
Edit: I'm also considering giving my animal companion the Totem Guide archetype (forgot they have archetypes until recently) and explaining it as a companion that was "given" to me by Ng the Hooded, the creature I worship.
After some thinking I'm really liking the Elk idea (especially at later levels when I can also use him as a handy mount for overland travel and due to my character's elven and fey heritage). What would you all recommend I take for feats for this Elk (whom I have named Arakhor and who is a Totem Guide)?
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Actually, going back to the multiclassing idea for a moment, if you're going to pimp out your animal companion, you might consider a level dip into Beast Master Ranger. That way, you can change up your animal companion into multiple animal companions, should you need it. You'll get the class skills in Handle Animal and Ride, too, not to mention a whole new set of weapon (and armor, but arcane spellcaster) proficiencies.
Yes, you're a level behind in spellcasting. However, you're doing this to work the animal companion, right?
Actually, going back to the multiclassing idea for a moment, if you're going to pimp out your animal companion, you might consider a level dip into Beast Master Ranger. That way, you can change up your animal companion into multiple animal companions, should you need it. You'll get the class skills in Handle Animal and Ride, too, not to mention a whole new set of weapon (and armor, but arcane spellcaster) proficiencies.
Yes, you're a level behind in spellcasting. However, you're doing this to work the animal companion, right?
Yes. I plan to do some controlling and a little bit of debuffing, but I see my guy buffing not only his companion but also the party as a well most of the time. The controlling and debuffing will come from my combination of Seeker and it's level three bloodline replacement coupled with my own odd array of spells I get for being a Sylvan sorcerer. I can certainly see the appeal of gaining Wild Empathy.
Edit: On second thought I'm not sure if Beastmaster would be the best, considering that I wouldn't be able to benefit unless I went all the way to level 4 with the Ranger (since the Animal Companion replaces Hunter's Bond). Now a Pack Lord druid, I could see some interestign combinations.
Narrow Frame, Valiant Steed, Iron Will, Power Attack, Nimble Moves, Armor Proficiency...
Narrow Frame, Valiant Steed, Iron Will, Power Attack, Nimble Moves, Armor Proficiency...
In that order or is that just the recommended overall feats?
Probably not. Just some good feats. Depends to some extent on what you're going to be doing with it. Some are more valuable when you're riding it. Armor Proficiency may not be needed if you're casting protective spells.
Probably not. Just some good feats. Depends to some extent on what you're going to be doing with it. Some are more valuable when you're riding it. Armor Proficiency may not be needed if you're casting protective spells.
One of the unique advantages of being a Sylvan sorcerer is that the whole share spells thing all Animal Companions have. What this means, it seams, is that all of those lovely polymorphing spells that aren't that great for a wizard or a sorcerer to know are all of a sudden quite a bit more useful when you can polymorph your Animal Companion to oblivion.
Plus Expeditious Retreat for a fast mount, Mirror Image and Shield for a hard-to-kill mount, etc.
Plus Expeditious Retreat for a fast mount, Mirror Image and Shield for a hard-to-kill mount, etc.
I forgot about Expeditious Retreat and Mirror Image. Good call!
Think I found a suitable place for him to be from, the city of Greengold in Kyonin. Are half-elves allowed outside of the city or are they treated like humans and not allowed outside of the city?
For your familiar have you considered picking up a bloodline familiar instead of sinking the feats into eldritch heritage?
For your familiar have you considered picking up a bloodline familiar instead of sinking the feats into eldritch heritage?
You mean like Arcane or Serpentine? Yes. But if I were to go Sylvan and take the Eldritch Heritage for Arcane I could gain an animal companion
and a familiar at the same time (I'm set on him being a half-elf and if I keep adaptable I get skill focus which goes to Knowledge (Nature) which qualifies me for Arcane).
Nope, familiar folio added the option for any sorcorer to trade the 1st level bloodline power for a familiar.
Nope, familiar folio added the option for any sorcorer to trade the 1st level bloodline power for a familiar.
Technically as a Sylvan sorcerer I don't have a first level bloodline power. The animal companion counts as my Arcana and my first level power.
Ah, then ignore my useless advice, carry on.
Ah, then ignore my useless advice, carry on.
Is okay, thanks for reminding me that you can substitute first level powers for familiars. Might make some bloodline with really crappy first level powers more bearable at lower levels ... wait, could you do that with Sage? Probably not, but if you could oh boy.
So if I had a familiar via the Eldritch Heritage feats (taking the Arcane bloodline), would I be able to take a Pooka at level seven or at level nine? I'm asking because this will affect when I take it and two levels is a while.