From the section on Flurry of Blows: "A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks." It's the last sentence.
So you get no extra attacks w/ natural attacks while using flurry of blows.
Flurry works w/ pounce, so you will get the normal bonuses/negatives for charging and using flurry as you normally would and the same number of attacks w/ flurry as usual, plus you'll get the bonuses for being a lion (too lazy to look up the creature, if it's large you'd get a +2 to hit from the increased strength).
Can't give you numbers w/out knowing the build.
"full attack" is not the same as a "full attack action". So Pounce and Flurry of Blows do not work together.
Combining unarmed strikes (or anything really) with natural attacks is usually a bad idea since the natural attacks become secondary attacks (-5 to attack etc.)
Basically forget about combining unarmed strikes or flurry with the lions natural attacks. It simply is not worth it.
"full attack" is not the same as a "full attack action". So Pounce and Flurry of Blows do not work together.
Pounce: If have this ability (page 302), can I make iterative attacks with weapons as part of my full attack?
Any melee attack sequence you can perform as a full attack is allowed as part of the charge-pounce-full attack. For example, a barbarian with the greater beast totem rage power gains the pounce universal monster ability and could make iterative attacks with manufactured melee weapons as part of her charge-pounce-full attack.
—Sean K Reynolds, 02/21/12
A Flurry of blows is a melee attack sequence you can perform as a full attack. Therefore it is allowed to be used as part of a pounce attack.
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It should be noted that if you have natural weapons and can make unarmed strikes effectively and have flurry you have a number of options.
Flurry - attack normally as with flurry of blows
Unarmed Strike + Natural Attacks - You can make your normal iterative of unarmed strike (no flurry) plus all your natural attacks as secondary.
Natural Attacks only - make all your natural attacks as primary/secondary as indicated under the natural attack in question
Pounce allows you to do any of these at the end of a charge.
You can imagine a Tiefling Monk with Maw and Claw Racial at say 4th level and compare: +3 BAB
Flurry at +2/+2
Unarmed Strike at +3 and 2 claws at -2/-2 (note unarmed strike can not be with hands but might include a kick, elbow, headbutt or knee for example)
2 Claws at +3/+3
THere is a feat that let you use your natural attacks with FoB.
Really? What's it called? Always good to learn something new! :)
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Feral Combat Training. It'll let you use your natural attacks in place of your unarmed strikes if you want, but not in addition to them.
Pounce would certainly work with your IUS or Natural attacks(if you're flurrying with your natural attacks you need the feat).
I think Taenia is correct on the math for your attacks.
In deciding whether you will use flurry of IUS or natural attacks, you should remember that your IUS damage dice change with your size.
Yeah, feral combat training is usually not worth it since it takes two feats per type (weapon focus is a prerequisite). Outside of druids with a dip into monk, people often take it just so they can use certain feats or effects in their natural weapons. Of course, I vaguely think that it is possible for a catfolk to combine feral combat training, flurry of blows, and claw pounce together, but that is an entirely different scenario from this.
Thanks, I'll take a look at that feat and see if anything fun comes to mind. :)
flurry of blow and pounce is not the best, try to get dragon style however to pounce from anywhere
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A couple of points.
Feral Training can be taken only once.
It then lets you substitute any Natural Attack that you have Weapon Focus for instead of an unarmed Attack.
Note nay feats or abilities that would apply to your unarmed Strikes will also apply to your Naturla Attacks.
So you can Flurry with any mix of Natural attacks that qualify as you wish.
You can also Snake Fang with Natural Attacks.Also increase in dmaged Dice Monks get to IUS would also apply to Natural Attacks.
It's not entirely clear whether you would replace the natural Attack Damage Dice or upgrade the Natural Attacks by the number of Steps the Monks IUS dmage has increased. My belief is it's the latter.A Dire Tiger Monk or Dragon Monk with Feral Combat is a scary prospect.
I believe you just replace the Natural Attack damage dice with the Monk's UAS damage. I think it says something to that effect in a FAQ, but I'm not 100%. But Dragon Style/Ferocity would also apply to the Natural Attacks which gets back the damage you lose going from primary -> secondary and then some.
I think Feral Combat Training is better for a 'non-flurry' character though as it still works in addition to the TWF chain.
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Strong Jaw?
That's a good question...
In most instances things that increase size don't stack... But FCT doesn't increase your size, it simply allows you to augment your Natural Attacks... But strong jaw lets you treat your natural attacks as if 2 size categories larger...
So the question becomes; do you apply the effects of Strong Jaw to your already augmented natural attacks, or do you work off the base damage???
I do not know.
I think Feral Combat Training is better for a 'non-flurry' character though as it still works in addition to the TWF chain.It's an interesting concept for a White-Haired Witch. If you're willing to go in 4 levels you can now flurry 10' away, and I believe you still threaten from 5'.
Strong Jaw?
That's a good question...
In most instances things that increase size don't stack... But FCT doesn't increase your size, it simply allows you to augment your Natural Attacks... But strong jaw lets you treat your natural attacks as if 2 size categories larger...
So the question becomes; do you apply the effects of Strong Jaw to your already augmented natural attacks, or do you work off the base damage???
I do not know.
If you are a monk with natural attacks and feral combat training, you apply your monk damage dice (if better than the normal natural attack damage) to your natural attacks, similar to using monk weapons. You can flurry with it, which may allow you to make more than the number of natural attacks that you are allotted based on the number of natural attacks you have vs the number of iteratives you get with flurry.
If you apply strong jaw, you increase your monk damage dice by 2 size increments.
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so this seems to be the most recent post about this rule, so i'm gonna continue with another question:
flurry of blows and natural weapons...
according to rule, natural weapon attacks are not allowed as additional attacks when making flurry of blows:
[last sentence of rule] A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.
there is this creature: reborn brother (ghoulish human ex-brother of the seal 1/ex-monk 5 (pathfinder rpg horror adventures 248, pathfinder campaign setting: paths of prestige 14)
in the stats for melee attack:
melee bite +6 (1d6+3 plus paralysis and disease) or flurry of blows +8/+8/+3 (1d8+3), bite +1 (1d6+1 plus paralysis and disease), 2 claws +1 (1d4+1 plus paralysis)
after "or" all the attacks are separated by commas, and per paizo pf convention, comma means "and" when used this way. so, this creature would be able to flurry of blows and bite and claws in a full round action attack.
so, is this a special attack this creature has, or did writer overlooked the flurry of blows rule?
...To actually answer the question, it's probably an oversight. The ghoul should not be able to flurry and then use natural attacks in the same action.
That entire attack line is weird. Why would it list bite by itself as one of the two possible attack sequences? It's not a "this is what it does with a standard action" situation as that's not how attack lines work.