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Spells that are 7th level or higher are not available from spellcasting services. The only exceptions to this rule are any 7th-level or higher spells listed as available to be purchased by your faction.
So only those spells of 7th-level or higher which can be purchased with PP are available for purchase with gold, yes? So no wish or miracle unless a PC can cast them, yes?
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There's no listed PP cost for wish or miracle, but I'd assume one could purchase the casting of such a spell provided one had enough gold, yes?
Except that on p159 of the core book it states that "if a spell's total cost is above 3000gp that spell is not generally available". Which means that for society play it isn't available. (17 X 9 X 10) + 25,000 = 26,530 gp
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If a character is turned into an undead, there is also the 5PP "recover body" option where your faction sends a team to retrieve your corpse. I would rule that this covers finding your undead corpse and killing you to bring you home.
But after that, like Andrew said, I believe you would need a resurrection. (I myself have had to pay for a resurrection on a character due to being turned into a Shadow). Thankfully, I had a certain boon that allowed me to pay 1/2 the cost for it on that character.
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If a character is turned into an undead, there is also the 5PP "recover body" option where your faction sends a team to retrieve your corpse. I would rule that this covers finding your undead corpse and killing you to bring you home.
If a PC spawned as an incorporeal, "spirit"-type undead (a state in which there'd be a physical corpse AND a separate undead entity), would the 5PP body recovery include hunting down and destroying that incorporeal entity, as well as retrieving the physical body?
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This kind of got me thinking about a related question: Under what circumstances should a GM rule that a body is too badly damaged to be raised normally? For instance, if the PCs are killed by a wild animal, do their bodies remain whole, or are they eaten down to the bone and require a resurrection? If Krune wipes out a party, does he just dump their bodies on the garbage pile, or burn them and scatter their ashes to the wind so that a couple of wishes are required to bring them back?
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This kind of got me thinking about a related question: Under what circumstances should a GM rule that a body is too badly damaged to be raised normally? For instance, if the PCs are killed by a wild animal, do their bodies remain whole, or are they eaten down to the bone and require a resurrection? If Krune wipes out a party, does he just dump their bodies on the garbage pile, or burn them and scatter their ashes to the wind so that a couple of wishes are required to bring them back?
Generally speaking, unless tactics say otherwise, I try not to be a dick and just let the party have their normal raise dead.
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This kind of got me thinking about a related question: Under what circumstances should a GM rule that a body is too badly damaged to be raised normally? For instance, if the PCs are killed by a wild animal, do their bodies remain whole, or are they eaten down to the bone and require a resurrection? If Krune wipes out a party, does he just dump their bodies on the garbage pile, or burn them and scatter their ashes to the wind so that a couple of wishes are required to bring them back?
If the PC got really unlucky and failed their Fort save vs. a disintegrate spell, and they were reduced to 0 hp then they would be turned to a small bit of dust. No raise dead possible, but a resurrection would still work. There is a current scenario where the BBEG uses a disintegrate spell, but I haven't had any players unlucky enough to fail the save.
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This kind of got me thinking about a related question: Under what circumstances should a GM rule that a body is too badly damaged to be raised normally? For instance, if the PCs are killed by a wild animal, do their bodies remain whole, or are they eaten down to the bone and require a resurrection? If Krune wipes out a party, does he just dump their bodies on the garbage pile, or burn them and scatter their ashes to the wind so that a couple of wishes are required to bring them back?If the PC got really unlucky and failed their Fort save vs. a disintegrate spell, and they were reduced to 0 hp then they would be turned to a small bit of dust. No raise dead possible, but a resurrection would still work. There is a current scenario where the BBEG uses a disintegrate spell, but I haven't had any players unlucky enough to fail the save.
As I recall, there's a really old one that features it as well.
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I realize that some ways of dying will preclude a raise dead on their own; I'm thinking more of situations where it doesn't make sense for the body to still be intact.
If you're looking for a specific example, I had an animal companion get swallowed by a gibbering mouther once. We were able to defeat the creature, but the AC died. If the PCs were really unlucky, and a TPK occurred with one of the PCs being swallowed by something then I could see the DM ruling that the "Recover the corpse" party was unwilling to look through ogre droppings to try to find some remains to be raised. What fun!
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I realize that some ways of dying will preclude a raise dead on their own; I'm thinking more of situations where it doesn't make sense for the body to still be intact.If you're looking for a specific example, I had an animal companion get swallowed by a gibbering mouther once. We were able to defeat the creature, but the AC died. If the PCs were really unlucky, and a TPK occurred with one of the PCs being swallowed by something then I could see the DM ruling that the "Recover the corpse" party was unwilling to look through ogre droppings to try to find some remains to be raised. What fun!
That does sound like a pretty crappy job.
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If a character is turned into an undead, there is also the 5PP "recover body" option where your faction sends a team to retrieve your corpse. I would rule that this covers finding your undead corpse and killing you to bring you home.If a PC spawned as an incorporeal, "spirit"-type undead (a state in which there'd be a physical corpse AND a separate undead entity), would the 5PP body recovery include hunting down and destroying that incorporeal entity, as well as retrieving the physical body?
I would say that’s a reasonable assumption, considering that even if you are killed by say the Aspis Consortium, and it’s a TPK (in other words your current team didn’t or can’t recover your body and stuff), a 5PP body recovery recovers all equipment as well.
The assumption is, that the recovery team does whatever is necessary to retrieve you and your stuff (see Rebel’s Ransom).
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I realize that some ways of dying will preclude a raise dead on their own; I'm thinking more of situations where it doesn't make sense for the body to still be intact.
If the attacks are normal, I'd say let a raise dead work.
If certain tactics say that the "creature drag's its victims off for food" or specifically describes the enemy as hungry, then I'd agree, if a 5PP body recovery is necessary, then they probably ate part or all of the body.
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If certain tactics say that the "creature drag's its victims off for food" or specifically describes the enemy as hungry, then I'd agree, if a 5PP body recovery is necessary, then they probably ate part or all of the body.What kind of author would write something like that?!?!
Someone who likes to make players cry?
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There's a certain Brain Eating BBEG in one scenario that I think has thrown a Raise Dead into question in the past (If you don't have your brain, is your body really whole?). Though, despite having that ability, his tactics don't call for actually using it, so I think given rulings since it was published about not CDGing characters, it's probably unlikely to be an issue now.
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I realize that some ways of dying will preclude a raise dead on their own; I'm thinking more of situations where it doesn't make sense for the body to still be intact.
I'll limit myself to situations that have happened in my games of PFS where the body of a PC has been... 'damaged'
As a disclaimer, I have not been the GM at all of the these tables.- Swallowed whole by a remorhaz, body melted by the heat of the creature's belly.
- Beaten to death by gugs that then escape with the body and devour it.
- Disintegrated. There are three different scenarios I have seen this in now. Failed save and 20d6 later... pile of ash.
- Various parts of the PC dissected post-mortem and added to a crazy cross-dressers collection of body parts.
- Tackled by an undead dragon into a moat of molten gold. 20d6 fire damage a round... at level 5. Ouch.
- Falling or being bull rushed into lava. Or going unconscious after walking into it.
- The corpse of a female PC getting her internal organs removed so her body could be occupied by a penanggalen.
- Balefully polymorphed and added to the menagerie-lair of an evil queen on another plane.
- Brain removed and eaten by an intelligent undead as the rest of the party watched on in terror.
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I realize that some ways of dying will preclude a raise dead on their own; I'm thinking more of situations where it doesn't make sense for the body to still be intact.I'll limit myself to situations that have happened in my games of PFS where the body of a PC has been... 'damaged'
As a disclaimer, I have not been the GM at all of the these tables.
- Swallowed whole by a remorhaz, body melted by the heat of the creature's belly.
- Beaten to death by gugs that then escape with the body and devour it.
- Disintegrated. There are three different scenarios I have seen this in now. Failed save and 20d6 later... pile of ash.
- Various parts of the PC dissected post-mortem and added to a crazy cross-dressers collection of body parts.
- Tackled by an undead dragon into a moat of molten gold. 20d6 fire damage a round... at level 5. Ouch.
- Falling or being bull rushed into lava. Or going unconscious after walking into it.
- The corpse of a female PC getting her internal organs removed so her body could be occupied by a penanggalen.
- Balefully polymorphed and added to the menagerie-lair of an evil queen on another plane.
- Brain removed and eaten by an intelligent undead as the rest of the party watched on in terror.
Ok, ALL of these deaths are cool except the disintigration. They all make excellent stories. Speaking of an excellent story, my highest level character would have died from the disintregation in one of the scenarios but the +2 Fort save bonus granted to him by a certain tattoo allowed him to resist --irony. This weekend will probably be his time to pay the piper (Waking Rune-ation time).