In the three states I've lived in, minor ids look different from drinking age ones, to make it clear you are not 21. You presumably cannot get an over 21 id until you turn 21, but it takes a couple weeks to get the id in the mail. This brings up the question of how to legally have a 21st birthday party at the bar, because you lack valid id (the under 21 is expired, the over 21is in the mail, and the paper temp is, at least in Colorado, not valid for drinking, even with the voided under 21 id with it). Granted, I'm 22 with valid id, so it doesn't effect me, but the logic of the situation is bugging me.
I imagine that a lot of bars simply overlook the validity or lack thereof of an under-21 license if the dates add up properly.
That said, can an ID to prove your age really expire? A driver's license expiring is one thing, but even an expired ID still proves you are the age it says you are. So I imagine it's not an issue.
Wasn't a problem for me either, for the opposite reason - my 21st birthday was spent at an arcade with friends, with no alcohol involved whatsoever.
You can contact the DMV for an extension on the license - six months, iirc, really just long enough that they expect you to be able to show up to renew. I had to do that - was in college in a different state, birthday fell after spring break, and my schedule didn't give me the chance to drive down to renew it in person, which they require for the over-21 but won't let you do any length of time before that birthday. So you still have a minor license, but it's valid.
Granted, I've never gone to a bar in my life, and I spent my 21st pulling a late night at work study and writing a paper for one of my history classes, so I may not be the best example.
SHow older non-expired ID. Make the doorman do math.
In NY, as far as I know you can still use expired IDs as proof of age.
Also, what's wrong with ice cream, cake and soda
I think this is what I had, actually =)
SHow older non-expired ID. Make the doorman do math.
What older non-expired ID? The drivers license/permit is the first, and often only, photo ID most people get that has a date of birth.
I know a few people here in NY that have gone to bars on their 21st birthday. They have just mentioned today is their birthday when they handed their IDs to the bartender/waitress and the one that expired was accepted.
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They auto-renue your license when it expires because of you turning 18 or 21. They are 4 year licenses, but they reissue you a new card that does not contain the blatant age identifiers, and the one with those identifiers has an expiration date of your birthday. The new card in my case arrived 2 days after my birthday.
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Seriously? I got mine renewed...with a new expiration date of my birthday and a grace period of just long enough to end right before finals week. I'd have been illegally on the road without that extension. -_-
Kansas wants you to bring your of-age butt to the Palace of Inconvenience to earn the right to publicly drink. Even if you don't drink.
Not every place auto-renews, Caineach. My TN license didn't.
Fly to London?
Not every place auto-renews, Caineach. My TN license didn't.
Sorry, I should have specified, but I know people from NY, MA, and NJ who all had their new licenses mailed to them automatically when they turned 21.
To do otherwise is kinda rediculous IMO. Its a waste of everyone's time.
Oh, no doubt. Not upset with you, just the DMV. =)
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I always find it amusing that people want to go out to a bar for their 21st birthday anyway...
If you want to go to the bar it's usually because you have drank before anyway and like it, probably getting into bars underage and illegel drinking at parties....so what's the big deal now that you get to do it legally? Why does it have to be the day you are legal?
Other people who have never drank before their 21st birthday really don't have any idea what drinking is about and it seems to me that they wouldn't likely enjoy their first time being such a big thing.
Now to answer the question, most bars will take the younger ID that shows a person turning 21. Bars are mostly looking to cover their asses in case of liability and illegal age issues and someone carrying an ID showing they are of legal age would do it if the question came up.
I had roommates who were really big on trying to get my brother to do so when he turned 21. It's just "the thing that's done", is the impression I got when I asked why -
Them: "Because he's 21! You always go to a bar when you turn 21! It's what you're supposed to do!"
Me: "I didn't."
Them: "...."
Dunno. Haven't gotten carded since i was 18.
I take it this is a regional thing, then. When I turned 21, I got turned away in Colorado because my id was expired.
I take it this is a regional thing, then. When I turned 21, I got turned away in Colorado because my id was expired.
I think it's more local than regional. Most bar owners are happy to let you spend money in their bar on an expired licence as long as they don't expect trouble with the cops. Most cops have better things to do than write up bar owners for serving people who are clearly of age but have something technical wrong with the licence. Most bouncers don't want to be fired for turning away paying customers.
So unless there's some underlying story -- bar owner in trouble with the cops already, or a bouncer looking for an excuse to keep you out -- it's usually not an issue.
We went to the strip club when I turned of age...they got absolutely blasted. I didnt touch a drop (still dont)-and ended up driving everyone home. Only to be told when I got home that my Grandfather had passed away that night. Yeah..memorable Happy Birthday.
In NY, as far as I know you can still use expired IDs as proof of age.
+1
My ID had my birthdate misprinted so I had to wait a week.
Fly to London?
Or Australia.... Drinking age is 18. You can go into sections of pubs or clubs if you are under 18 and acompanied by an adult.
Mostly you can't go near the poker machines if you are under 18.
Do the relevant people have passports? Admitally, I didn't have one when I turned 21, but my child sure did.
Otherwise what Andrew Turner posted seems wise.
To spin a yarn, as an Australian I never had trouble going into a pub, though it was several decades ago when it mattered. I remember that in Year 10 (15-16 year olds), numerous students(??) would get on their (push)bikes and ride down to the local after school, in their school uniforms, for a few(?) cleansing ales (and the school only went to Year 10)... Ah.... Western Sydney....
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In the UK we have a different kind of tradition.
The drinking age is 18 and most people drink in some way before that but your parents are supposed to (symbolically) not know and frown on such behaviour. Under-18 drinking is illicit and childish with plenty of drinking-to-get-drunk.
When you turn 18 is the time when your dad is supposed to take you down his local pub with him, so he can buy you a drink and you can drink it with him and his mates as a recognised adult. A rite-of-passage for adult socialising.