I noticed an interesting phrase in Ultimate Campaign


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In the Alignment section, it includes phrases that might be said by someone of that alignment.

Chaotic Neutral has the phrase "You only live once." Given that phrase's current standing among youth as "YOLO," is this saying something about today's youngsters? That they are Chaotic Neutral?

Really what I want to know, was it an intention cultural reference?


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I don't know, but unless Pathfinder removed spells like Raise Dead, Reincarnate, and Resurrection, it ... doesn't really work.


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YOLAMTAYCR

(You Only Live As Many Times As You Can Revive)


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Obviously, I don't know if this was an intentional jibe at today's youth, but it's not that far-fetched to describe today's youth as overtly chaotic neutral. Yesterday's youth as well, and all youth before that.

Youth, especially adolescence, is a time of exploring yourself (inherently selfish) and growing up (which inevitably means challenging parents and other authority figures). Shakespeare wrote about it. Greeks wrote about it. I imagine every culture has written about it since the invention of writing, and the cultures before that simply talked about it.

It's what youth is. Selfish and rebellious.

More socially acceptable alignments evolve with more maturity while the less socially acceptable alignments devolve from youthful rebellion with the realization that being full grown empowers the ability to act on impulse and urges rather than just rebelling against those who would make rules that you're not supposed to.


I wouldn't read too much into it. It's a sample phrase to help illustrate the attitude of one type of grown-up personality; it doesn't say that that phrase never pops up anywhere else.


DM_Blake wrote:

Obviously, I don't know if this was an intentional jibe at today's youth, but it's not that far-fetched to describe today's youth as overtly chaotic neutral. Yesterday's youth as well, and all youth before that.

Youth, especially adolescence, is a time of exploring yourself (inherently selfish) and growing up (which inevitably means challenging parents and other authority figures). Shakespeare wrote about it. Greeks wrote about it. I imagine every culture has written about it since the invention of writing, and the cultures before that simply talked about it.

It's what youth is. Selfish and rebellious.

More socially acceptable alignments evolve with more maturity while the less socially acceptable alignments devolve from youthful rebellion with the realization that being full grown empowers the ability to act on impulse and urges rather than just rebelling against those who would make rules that you're not supposed to.

This reasoning would dictate that PCs and NPCs alike live through dynamic alignment changes as they grow. Which is, of course, pretty realistic, but I'm not sure how that fits into the mechanics of the game. Could it mean that a Paladin has come to his devotion to religion out of a sense of guilt for past deeds? It makes for great narrative elements.


Yolo shot first !

Sorry. Feeling whimsical today. Remnants of my youth :-) !


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_Cobalt_ wrote:

In the Alignment section, it includes phrases that might be said by someone of that alignment.

Chaotic Neutral has the phrase "You only live once." Given that phrase's current standing among youth as "YOLO," is this saying something about today's youngsters? That they are Chaotic Neutral?

Really what I want to know, was it an intention cultural reference?

It is an anthem for each generation, not necessarily the current one. I can remember the saying 'You only live once' was popular when I was a kid ... 40 some years ago.


Black Moria wrote:
_Cobalt_ wrote:

In the Alignment section, it includes phrases that might be said by someone of that alignment.

Chaotic Neutral has the phrase "You only live once." Given that phrase's current standing among youth as "YOLO," is this saying something about today's youngsters? That they are Chaotic Neutral?

Really what I want to know, was it an intention cultural reference?

It is an anthem for each generation, not necessarily the current one. I can remember the saying 'You only live once' was popular when I was a kid ... 40 some years ago.

You'd be surprised how long some phrases have been around. I saw the phrase "Where do they hang out?" in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court ... published in 1889.


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_Cobalt_ wrote:

YOLAMTAYCR

(You Only Live As Many Times As You Can Revive)

Or, in previous editions, You Only Live As Many Times As You Pass A Resurrection Survival Check And Still Have Points Of Constitution. (YOLAMTAYPARSCASHPOC?)


When I grew up, the phrase was,
"You only live Twice."


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Gavmania wrote:

When I grew up, the phrase was,

"You only live Twice."

I think that was a James Bond movie/book!


DM_Blake wrote:

Obviously, I don't know if this was an intentional jibe at today's youth, but it's not that far-fetched to describe today's youth as overtly chaotic neutral. Yesterday's youth as well, and all youth before that.

Youth, especially adolescence, is a time of exploring yourself (inherently selfish) and growing up (which inevitably means challenging parents and other authority figures). Shakespeare wrote about it. Greeks wrote about it. I imagine every culture has written about it since the invention of writing, and the cultures before that simply talked about it.

It's what youth is. Selfish and rebellious.

More socially acceptable alignments evolve with more maturity while the less socially acceptable alignments devolve from youthful rebellion with the realization that being full grown empowers the ability to act on impulse and urges rather than just rebelling against those who would make rules that you're not supposed to.

Rebellious, yes. Not necessarily selfish.

Youth are also prone to idealism, not necessarily practical or well planned idealism.


pennywit wrote:
Black Moria wrote:
_Cobalt_ wrote:

In the Alignment section, it includes phrases that might be said by someone of that alignment.

Chaotic Neutral has the phrase "You only live once." Given that phrase's current standing among youth as "YOLO," is this saying something about today's youngsters? That they are Chaotic Neutral?

Really what I want to know, was it an intention cultural reference?

It is an anthem for each generation, not necessarily the current one. I can remember the saying 'You only live once' was popular when I was a kid ... 40 some years ago.
You'd be surprised how long some phrases have been around. I saw the phrase "Where do they hang out?" in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court ... published in 1889.

You wouldn't think of 'hurly-burly" as Shakespearean language, but read Macbeth, and there it is.

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Quiche Lisp wrote:

Yolo shot first !

Sorry. Feeling whimsical today. Remnants of my youth :-) !

No, Han shot first. Because he was Chaotic Neutral at the time. ;)

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MendedWall12 wrote:
DM_Blake wrote:

Obviously, I don't know if this was an intentional jibe at today's youth, but it's not that far-fetched to describe today's youth as overtly chaotic neutral. Yesterday's youth as well, and all youth before that.

Youth, especially adolescence, is a time of exploring yourself (inherently selfish) and growing up (which inevitably means challenging parents and other authority figures). Shakespeare wrote about it. Greeks wrote about it. I imagine every culture has written about it since the invention of writing, and the cultures before that simply talked about it.

It's what youth is. Selfish and rebellious.

More socially acceptable alignments evolve with more maturity while the less socially acceptable alignments devolve from youthful rebellion with the realization that being full grown empowers the ability to act on impulse and urges rather than just rebelling against those who would make rules that you're not supposed to.

This reasoning would dictate that PCs and NPCs alike live through dynamic alignment changes as they grow. Which is, of course, pretty realistic, but I'm not sure how that fits into the mechanics of the game. Could it mean that a Paladin has come to his devotion to religion out of a sense of guilt for past deeds? It makes for great narrative elements.

Read the iconic paladin Seelah story.


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You Only Live As Many Times As Your Party Members Are Willing To Shell Out Ten Thousand Gold Pieces Worth OF Diamond Dust to Resurrect Your Dumb Ass For Running Into A Group OF Enemies Without Thinking, Damned Chaotic Neutral Character.

(YOLAMTSYPMAWTSOTTGPWODDTRYDAFRIAGREWTDCNC)


Zhayne wrote:
I don't know, but unless Pathfinder removed spells like Raise Dead, Reincarnate, and Resurrection, it ... doesn't really work.

Hell, YOLO doesnt really "work" either given the rapper than was doing 125 in a car and texted that before he crashed and died


"The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
--King Naram-Sin of Assyria, c. 2800 BCE


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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:

"The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.

Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
--King Naram-Sin of Assyria, c. 2800 BCE

To be quite fair to King Naram-Sin, I have never read anything in the news about the current affairs of the Assyrian Empire, and Nineveh is no longer numbered among the cities of the world. He might have been right :p

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