Few whirlwind attack questions

[Kiinyan]

Helllo. Looking at the whirlwind attack thread in the advice section gave me a few ideas, but I'm not sure if they work.

Both of these questions come from the part in WWA(recreated below for convenience) where it is a full-attack substitution.

Whirlwind Attack:

When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your highest base attack bonus against each opponent within reach. You must make a separate attack roll against each opponent. When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.

First, mobile fighter:

Rapid Attack:

At 11th level, a mobile fighter can combine a full attack action with a single move. He must forgo the attack at his highest bonus but may take the remaining attacks at any point during his movement. This movement provokes attacks of opportunity as normal. This ability replaces armor training 3.

Does the rapid attack allow me to move and effectively whirlwind attack? If it forgoes the highest BaB attack, and all the WWA attacks are at highest BaB it forgoes them all? If I do whirlwind, do I just forgo an attack against one enemy? Can I attack everyone within reach as I move?

Second question, Dimensional Dervish:

Dimensional Dervish:

You can take a full-attack action, activating abundant step or casting dimension door as a swift action. If your do, you can teleport up to twice your speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability), dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport.

Since WWA is a full attack, I assume I can use it with dervish. Does that mean I can teleport into a group of enemies, WWA, then teleport to another group and WWA all in one round? Do I have to leaves one enemy of each group alive to keep the chain going? (AKA, always keeping an unattacked enemy within reach?)

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

WWA is a special full round action. That is separate from a full attack. Mobile Fighter can use WWA as a standard action as their capstone (level 20).

[Kiinyan]

WWA is actually not specifically a special full round action. It is specifically used in any place a full-attack action can occur.

Core Rulebook page 137 wrote:

When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your highest base attack bonus against each opponent within reach.

[Tarantula]

I do believe it would work with rapid attack, with the caveat that WWA forbids any additional attacks from happening, so you could move, make you WWA, and finish your movement, but not get any other attacks.

Same with DD. You could full-attack and swift action move, but you chose one place to make the WWA, and forgo all other additional attacks during the action, so you would be able to teleport in, WWA, and teleport out, but not teleport multiple times WWAing.

[Kiinyan]

Tarantula wrote:

I do believe it would work with rapid attack, with the caveat that WWA forbids any additional attacks from happening, so you could move, make you WWA, and finish your movement, but not get any other attacks.

Same with DD. You could full-attack and swift action move, but you chose one place to make the WWA, and forgo all other additional attacks during the action, so you would be able to teleport in, WWA, and teleport out, but not teleport multiple times WWAing.

How would this work, because the only attacks I'm getting are from WWA? All thats happening is I'm moving, adding enemies to my reach, and WWA let's me attack all enemies within reach.

[Tarantula]

Kiinyan wrote:

How would this work, because the only attacks I'm getting are from WWA? All thats happening is I'm moving, adding enemies to my reach, and WWA let's me attack all enemies within reach.

Hmmm. You're right. It seems DD with WWA would let you teleport between each attack per DD. My gut feeling says "broken" but thinking about the feat investment, its not all that powerful. You still can't get any other additional attacks from feats/abilities/etc (like cleave) so max 1 attack per enemy.

[KainPen]

I don't think your supposed to be able to combine WWA with Rapid Attack.
As WWA is 1 attack made at your highest bonus and frist and only attack. While Rapid Attack makes your for "He must forgo the attack at his highest bonus but may take the remaining attacks at any point during his movement" So if you are Forgo the attack at your highest bonus and take ramaining attacks. you lose WWA as it is at your highest bonus. it is only 1 attack and you have none remaining attack. you did nothing but move.

A Some DM/GMs may let you do it I don't see it as game breaking. at your 2nd highest attack roll. but again WWA is only 1 attack So same boat with Dimensional Dervish.

Dimensional Dervish allows you to "dividing this teleportation into increments you use before your first attack, between each attack, and after your last attack. You must teleport at least 5 feet each time you teleport." you don't have any extra attacks other then the 1 so you can divided that movment in to two teleports and you end up with Tarantula said.

This ablities are based on number of attacks, not increaseing reach and WWA is 1 attack. This why it is supior to cleave. If you miss your get to keep rolling for every creature while cleave ends if you miss.

these would more then likely work very will with Cleave tree. giving your a spring attack type cleaving ablity.