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So I was just looking through games coming out soon on Steam, and I ran across this game called Chaos Chronicles. This looks like it may be just what I have been hoping for. Chaos Chronicles What do you think?
Didn't slip under my radar. I'm looking forward to it. :D
It is also on Steam btw.
Turn-based, single player, D&D/3.5 ruleset? Yeah, I've had my eye on this ever since it popped into the 'Coming Soon' tab. The fact that they're not rushing development only furthers my interest.
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It slipped under my radar too, so thanks for posting! I have always wondered if making a computer game based on the OGL 3.5e rules would be legal, and it seems like it is. That's awesome news!
Thanks for the heads-up.
Is it already actually on Steam or is it under Greenlight? If the latter Steam uers go vote for it!
By the way, this game is not based on the D&D 3.5 OGL. It seems like the devs burrowed a lot of ''ideas'' from D&D, more specifically 4th edition, but they are using a new, independent rule set.
I have it in my wishlist and there is a shop page for it. I didn't notice it on greenlight.
Hmmmmmm....looking forward to it. Too bad that they are not using PF ruleset, but hey. 3.5 was good 5 years ago right?
Where did you get this 3.5 rule set thing? It's not what they say on their web site, at least this is not what I read.
On the link on the first post in the thread, it's the first thing on that page:
Over the past year, we have been working on a reliable engine, the OGL 3.5e rules implementation
On the link on the first post in the thread, it's the first thing on that page:
Over the past year, we have been working on a reliable engine, the OGL 3.5e rules implementation
OK, thanks. However, I think you should read this:
http://www.chaos-chronicles.com/source-of-inspiration-6-penpaper-rpgs/
On the link on the first post in the thread, it's the first thing on that page:
Over the past year, we have been working on a reliable engine, the OGL 3.5e rules implementationOK, thanks. However, I think you should read this:
http://www.chaos-chronicles.com/source-of-inspiration-6-penpaper-rpgs/
That seems slightly contradictary. Working through it, I think what they are doing is using what is essentially 3.5 under the OGL, but are modifying the combat so it's a bit more like 4E's, but not so much they get sued into the bowels of the earth by Hasbro's legal department?
That seems slightly contradictary. Working through it, I think what they are doing is using what is essentially 3.5 under the OGL, but are modifying the combat so it's a bit more like 4E's, but not so much they get sued into the bowels of the earth by Hasbro's legal department?On the link on the first post in the thread, it's the first thing on that page:
Over the past year, we have been working on a reliable engine, the OGL 3.5e rules implementationOK, thanks. However, I think you should read this:
http://www.chaos-chronicles.com/source-of-inspiration-6-penpaper-rpgs/
This is what I think too, but they'll probably throw a good amount of their own stuff (homebrew) in the mix too. The devs seem to enjoy houserules when playing D&D and this will surely reflect on the game. I think they are going for a ''facing'' system with the hex-grid where each character has a back and a front: it could potentially help the Rogue class a lot.
Holy cow! How did I miss this one? Looks good and will definitely scratch that turn-based RPG itch.
Be curious to know how they are going to do spells? I loved the use of the Spell Wheel in Temple of Elemental Evil for this style of game.
I asked a few questions on their website and the devs quickly and kindly answered all of them, which is very kewl! It seems that CC will include a lot of the elements from D&D 3.X (OGL) while leaving the complicated stuff like grappling and readied actions out of the game, at least for the initial release (they plan to expand the game if it sells well enough).
There will be no Bards, Druids, Monks or Sorcerers in CC, but Wizards won't have to memorize their spells in advance, so they're going to work a lot like Sorcerers. Also, multiclassing will not be possible. Personally, I would have kept the Bard instead of the Ranger, but I'm mostly fine with the core classes included in the game: Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Wizard, Ranger, Paladin and Barbarian. Again, if the game sells well enough, they will included new classes in DLCs/expansions (the Druid and the Monk are currently on top of their priority list for an expansion).
Sounds interesting. Even being a 3.x variant, it sounds like they are mixing some old-school ideas in there. Would love to see it succeed, if it plays as good as it looks so far.
Looks like COREPLAY received a cease and desist letter from Hasbro.
Game rules (function) are not copyrightable or otherwise restricted.
They don't appear to have reproduced 3.5 text itself.
But I notice that they included cover images of D&D books amidst their blog.
That could have been the issue...?
Game rules (function) are not copyrightable or otherwise restricted.
They don't appear to have reproduced 3.5 text itself.
But I notice that they included cover images of D&D books amidst their blog.
That could have been the issue...?
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it has nothing to do with Hasbro, but COREPLAY stated that their game was based on the ''D&D 3.5 OGL'', and not simply ''d20 OGL'', on their official web page, on their forums and during various interviews, which may be the cause of the legal issues they are having right now. Even if Chaos Chronicles is not a ''D&D'' game per se, the devs have indirectly associated the D&D franchise with Chaos Chronicles. They have been using the ''D&D'' tag to make their game more attractive to gamers. I can't tell if this is legal or not.
Or maybe this whole thing is caused by some internal legal dispute at COREPLAY.
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Based on the whole thread, looks like its more internal legal issues could be the problem than legalities with Hasbro over 3.5 OGL. Looks like the developers went very silent thus summer and have released no further details after a spring of heavy discussion and reveals.
Unless I missed a specific official statement, the discussion about Hasbro's involvement is pure speculation. The only official statement one of the developers has made is that they "will discuss the situation as soon as it is legally possible" or some-such.
It looks like one of the members of the design team left sometime back and this could easily about IP/design ownership - who owns what part of the game, etc. and what can be sold. Not saying the Hasbro thing isn't possible, just that there's nothing official to say it is any more likely.
In any case, I am bummed that it is turning into vaporware or something so unlike what we have seen as to be terribly broken.
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Its a shame that this probably wont work out, it looks awesome and I'd love to have this game. But I am fairly certain the OGL doesnt allow video games. If I remember from conversations about pathfinder online, something in the open game liscence specifically prevents use in video games, hence why pathfinder online isnt using the pathfinder ruleset (which extends the original 3.5 OGL).
Its a shame that this probably wont work out, it looks awesome and I'd love to have this game. But I am fairly certain the OGL doesnt allow video games. If I remember from conversations about pathfinder online, something in the open game liscence specifically prevents use in video games, hence why pathfinder online isnt using the pathfinder ruleset (which extends the original 3.5 OGL).
I remember the same conversation. Vic Wertz even said that he doubted that making a Pathfinder video game using the Pathfinder/D&D 3.5 OGL ruleset would be legally possible.
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HobGoblin42, developer, said:
''I don't want to keep you guys from writing those excellent fiction, but the current unsettled situation with Chaos Chronicles is solely based on a conflict between us and bitcomposer. At the current state the completion and release of the game is uncertain since our last attempt to find some agreement failed due the disappointment that we haven't heard back from bitcomposer after holding a long (and constructive) meeting.
Obviously, the game won't be released in this summer because bitcomposer stopped the development earlier this year through an legal injunction(which has been recalled later). The next few weeks will finally decide if the game will see the day of light or not.''
So the legal disagreement is between COREPLAY and bitcomposer, also referred as ''s*!@composer'' by the RPG Codex community. Bitcomposer funded the development of the game, so if no agreement is meet, Chaos Chronicles could very well enter the realm of vaporware.
Thanks for bringing this up. So nothing to do with OGL and more to do with whomever was bankrolling this game.
The suggestion was Kickstartering it for money, but in their case sounds like you have a finished/near-finshed project that it being held up by ownership and release issues.
Starting to remind of City of Heroes and NCSoft - you have a perfectly good game that won't be playable because the owner says no.
Starting to remind of City of Heroes and NCSoft - you have a perfectly good game that won't be playable because the owner says no.
Well, now the sad is back! :(
