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Just an observation and probably mentioned before that many of the character classes I would like to see from reaper for pathfinder are female character based when I would prefer a male version of them as well. Since a majority of gamers are male who don't tend to play female characters, can we get a male paladin, cleric, etc to buy instead of the female version I won't be playing and won't need to buy?
That goes for the metal reaper as well as the new painted plastic minis.
Thanks!
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Let's...not. I get where you're coming from, but D&D has always had this male focus and, for once, we have a pretty inclusive and diverse playing system/setting that is more inclusive to women (and other groups). If it were all male, with a bunch of male characters, it would probably put some aspiring women gamers off. It's better this way, trust me.
This should be an interesting thread. ~.~
Random anecdote: Our group is 3 guys and 3 girls, occasionally 4 guys and 4 girls. With the GM usually (but not always) one of the guys, there's often more female players.
Is the argument that there are too many female miniatures and we should have more male miniatures?
I just can't get behind that argument...
Heh, who says magical armor has to be "practical"? Heck a simple bit of metal on a bicep provides armor protection. I've got no problem with magic bra and panties protecting the whole body.
It's magic!
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i dont see a problem with this "i want a male mini for my paladin character who happens to be male" situation
he's not saying there should be less female characters/minis
he's saying he wants more males so he doesnt have to represent himself with a female mini
the best solution is to make more of both sexes for each class
more products = more $$$
i dont see a problem with this "i want a male mini for my paladin character who happens to be male" situation
he's not saying there should be less female characters/minis
he's saying he wants more males so he doesnt have to represent himself with a female minithe best solution is to make more of both sexes for each class
more products = more $$$
Hmm... somehow I think my economics professor might introduce the concept of "what the market will bear" into this conversation about now...
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It would be better to phrase the idea as:
Please make at least a male and female option for race/class combinations. Some may just fill as.....say robed caster for wiz/sorc's, but yes, I would like to see a larger range to them as well. I'm personally grateful for the advent of plastic mini's, but tired of DnD's habit of just pulling from their book art, and reaaaally getting sick of Wizkids yanking our chains by constantly processing repaints and passing them off as new.
I would like a to see a dedicated range of idealists and artists focused on crafting with specific representations in mind. and more than that, several variations on the same combinations. such as the afore stated 'practical' and 'impractical' armor designs. I happen to know some ladies who really enjoy their bikini chainmail.
With the titanic pile of monsters, characters, props and oddness to choose from, why is it so hard to pick a single theme and stick with it. With businesses like reaper, they could draw people back to their product with a much closer representation of their character than making do with the Kyra iconic (not knocking it, just not good to be the only scimitar-wielding mini readily available to a guy).
I don't know about you, but I want to be able to play the same mini before and after I get magic armor. And if I were to play a female character I'd want to have the option of playing one with a sense of modesty. Or at least the sense to keep warm or keep the sun off depending on the environment. There are very few environments where clothing is not beneficial for one reason or the other. I think just tropical forests.
But.... Dragons!!!
Your argument is invalid. ;-)
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i dont see a problem with this "i want a male mini for my paladin character who happens to be male" situation
he's not saying there should be less female characters/minis
he's saying he wants more males so he doesnt have to represent himself with a female minithe best solution is to make more of both sexes for each class
more products = more $$$
Master marshmallow better stated my intentions, can I get a male version of the classes, not that I meant for reaper to not make female versions.
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I can't find a miniature for a male character.
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HAHAHA!
Please.
There are plenty of companies that make miniatures, do a little searching, you'll find one. And you can have an armored male character and call it a paladin. You don't need some company to sell you a "male paladin".
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my group actually uses legos so we can customize our minis
and also because its fun to play with legos
This is a very flame bait sounding title (and first post), whether you meant it to be or not.
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actually the dragons are all just perverted
basically every dragon is jaba the hut
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So, let me get this straight... You think that the miniature companies are creating too few male miniatures and too many female mostly naked miniatures because their market is mostly young single guys? Guys who are notorious for having a lack of inter-gender experience?
Does it occur to you that they know their market?
So, let me get this straight... You think that the miniature companies are creating too few male miniatures and too many female mostly naked miniatures because their market is mostly young single guys? Guys who are notorious for having a lack of inter-gender experience?
Does it occur to you that they know their market?
They can cater to the stereotyped 'socially awkward male virgin with no social skills who uses fantasy games as his only sexual outlet' market, or they can actively work to expand their market to people who don't fit those old, bad stereotypes.
In general Paizo has been trying for the latter, and that is a good thing.
Well then, I guess you've got all the male miniatures you need then. Problem solved.
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I don't agree with this, because even if most of your players are male, it doesn't mean that you won't need female miniatures for NPCs. A game world should not be more than 55% male, after all, or then you're bound to run into mating issues. 0_0
That said, what I want to see is racial diversity in Pathfinder and other companies. Now we're starting to see the ladies, but models are still very much Humans vs. Monsters. If you look at Rise of the Runelords as an example, almost every PC race miniature in that set is a human; I think there's one elf and Harsk. Likewise Shattered Star has Lem, a drow, and a catfolk rogue. (Who happens to be female. Hooray!) I get that Golarion is a human-centric setting, but players almost NEVER fall into those rules. Players play what they what to play, and when miniatures companies don't help the players out with that, it leads to the Halfling Effect, where there simply is not a decent variety of Halflings who aren't Lem the Bard; as awesome as Lem is, he needs some diverse friends to free from slavery and stuff, not just Lem clones.
I'd love to see more gnomes, more halflings, and models for some of the more unusual Featured and Uncommon races from the Advanced Race Guide from both Reaper Miniatures and WizKids.
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I use mostly male figures, so I buy and paint mostly males figures. Maybe I'm regressed for imagining my fantasy worlds full of men killing each other. On the other hand my female figures are almost always fun to paint because its out of the norm for me. I've only played one female character for an extended period of time and I painted three figures to represent her, cause you know... different colored dresses.
45%? No.
50%? Yes.
I disagree. This percentage of female models is not nearly high enough. :)
Just an observation and probably mentioned before that many of the character classes I would like to see from reaper for pathfinder are female character based when I would prefer a male version of them as well. Since a majority of gamers are male who don't tend to play female characters, can we get a male paladin, cleric, etc to buy instead of the female version I won't be playing and won't need to buy?
That goes for the metal reaper as well as the new painted plastic minis.Thanks!
Your experience is not universal. Quit acting like it is, and quit dismissing women's involvement in gaming.
Thanks!
sexism isnt the problem tho, he just wants a male mini for his paladin types and sorcerer types, since all he has to choose from are either for different classes or are female figures
its not an attack on women existing in game, its about wanting both for each class
sexism isnt the problem tho, he just wants a male mini for his paladin types and sorcerer types, since all he has to choose from are either for different classes or are female figures
its not an attack on women existing in game, its about wanting both for each class
If that is true, then the OP needs to think a little more carefully about how he says what he means. :(
sexism isnt the problem tho, he just wants a male mini for his paladin types and sorcerer types, since all he has to choose from are either for different classes or are female figures
its not an attack on women existing in game, its about wanting both for each class
Actually, you are wrong. Asking for those "instead of" (exact words) females, because gamers are male, and don't play females is sexist. Period.
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If getting more female minis in randomised packs is the 'price' I have to pay to get more women involved in gaming then I'm more than willing to pay that price. If you aren't willing to help shoulder that 'burden', then your best bet is to buy non-randomized minis or resell the female minis in your sets.
Women have been dealing with playing wrong sex miniatures for years and have a tougher time finding appropriate minis.
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There are plenty of female models out there.
Now, try finding a fat female model. Seriously, there are like two.
You can find a ton of cheesecake models out there. Finding ones that look like serious adventurers rather than strippers can be a hassle. even a lot of the Reaper models have the 'naked' tag in them. And then you have places like Hasslefree and Brother Vinni - gloriously sculpted, often naked. Sometimes disturbingly naked.
Once you clear out the ones in boob armour to no armour (or clothes)you've drastically reduced the number of suitable female models out there. The same is, not shockingly, not true for male models...while you can find nude male models it's a lot harder.
While I do a lot of converting and even assembling models out of parts to get the models I want, finding something like a male paladin is stupidly easy. Any suitably armed model with the right kind of armour works. Just because it's labled as a cleric or fighter doesn't mean it has to be.
Actually, you are wrong. Asking for those "instead of" (exact words) females, because gamers are male, and don't play females is sexist. Period.You know I wasn't going to chime in. But I love it when someone puts period at the end of their statement!
"I said period at the end. That automatically makes me right and ends the discussion. hehehehe"
This actually reminds me of why I love Spanish. I can see the exclamation point at the beginning of the sentence, allowing me to mentally put the proper inflection of surprise from the beginning, not end. Makes reading posts so weird in my head. I read your post deadpan until i got to "statement" :)
There are plenty of female models out there.
Now, try finding a fat female model. Seriously, there are like two.
You can find a ton of cheesecake models out there. Finding ones that look like serious adventurers rather than strippers can be a hassle. even a lot of the Reaper models have the 'naked' tag in them. And then you have places like Hasslefree and Brother Vinni - gloriously sculpted, often naked. Sometimes disturbingly naked.
Once you clear out the ones in boob armour to no armour (or clothes)you've drastically reduced the number of suitable female models out there. The same is, not shockingly, not true for male models...while you can find nude male models it's a lot harder.
While I do a lot of converting and even assembling models out of parts to get the models I want, finding something like a male paladin is stupidly easy. Any suitably armed model with the right kind of armour works. Just because it's labled as a cleric or fighter doesn't mean it has to be.
Yeah, I actually have a male cleric that I easily use as a paladin.
Just an observation and probably mentioned before that many of the character classes I would like to see from reaper for pathfinder are female character based when I would prefer a male version of them as well. Since a majority of gamers are male who don't tend to play female characters, can we get a male paladin, cleric, etc to buy instead of the female version I won't be playing and won't need to buy?
That goes for the metal reaper as well as the new painted plastic minis.Thanks!
Any numbers to back up these assumptions? I don't too many male gamers who only play male characters, and the number of women I see at gaming tables has been steadily rising. I see no reason to discontinue female minis. The iconic paladin and cleric are female, but both Reaper and Paizo have dozens of minis that are appropriate for male paladins/clerics, so I really don't see any substance to this complaint.
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O.k., then the other way to read this is as a female-bodied gamer, I should not be catered to, while males are. Is this what is being asked? If so, that is even more sexist.
O.k., then the other way to read this is as a female-bodied gamer, I should not be catered to, while males are. Is this what is being asked? If so, that is even more sexist.
no that's not what is being asked. from what I understand the op wants to be able to choose a male representative of a class where they have only found a female version of it. He is not asking for a stop to the printing of female models, only for an alternative option.
But the great thing is there seems to be a great deal more miniatures going into production. Of course, this might saturate the market - however it should allow a greater choice. And it should allow for more niche markets (talking races, not sexes) to have mini's available.
For example, Stonehaven have just funded 2 different KS's (dwarves & gnomes) with plans for more. The line of mini's produced by paizo is rapidly expanding.
The best way to ensure the mini's you want are produced is with your wallet.
It appears so. I'd much prefer lots of cheap, good quality, available mini's.
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If the op goes to the reaper web sight and uses the figure finder there, he'll find a huge number of miniatures to suit his needs. I think what he's done is only look at the range for the Pathfinder minis that Reaper produces. Reaper mostly moulds minis on easily identifiable characters from the APs or other books. If he looks outside the"Pathfinder" microcosm there, he'll be fine.
As to the sexism of minis. I'll admit there are many models out there that are rather scantily clad, however reaper hav a pretty good representation of sensibly dressed women folk as well. Again, the figure finder is your friend. They also have a number of women working for them, both painters and sculptors, as well as other parts of the company.
I've found the barbarian and sorceress types to be the most scantily clad. Probably a holdover from all thos Boris Valejo days in the industry.
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O.k., then the other way to read this is as a female-bodied gamer, I should not be catered to, while males are. Is this what is being asked? If so, that is even more sexist.no that's not what is being asked. from what I understand the op wants to be able to choose a male representative of a class where they have only found a female version of it. He is not asking for a stop to the printing of female models, only for an alternative option.
"Instead of the female version" sounds like asking to stop producing the female versions. I'm not sure how instead of means in addition to.
There are plenty of female models out there.
Now, try finding a fat female model. Seriously, there are like two.
Try finding a fat male model. Occasionally you get a fat zombie type, but you are lucky to find any fat models out there at all.
There are plenty of female humans but try finding female versions of Halfing, Gnome or Dwarf classes, it's really hard. The Skull and Shackles AP has about 50% female crew some are demi-humans, finding a mini for Rosie or Tilly is next to impossible lol.
*Shrug*
And I want a half-orc paladin. Oh well. There will always be more possible characters than figures to represent them.