Say I readied an improved Counterspell, could I dispel someone casting dispel magic?
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There are several elements to this question.
1) Can you dispel Dispel Magic? No.
You cannot dispel Dispel Magic because it has an instantaneous duration.
The effect of a spell with an instantaneous duration can’t be dispelled, because the magical effect is already over before the dispel magic can take effect.
2) Can you counter a Dispel Magic using another Dispel Magic? Yes.
However, people will probably debate whether it is an automatic success or a check.
My interpretation is that this would be an automatic success since it is the same spell. This is based on the fact that specific spells counter specific spells at a 100% success rate. After that, if you use Dispel Magic as a general counterspell is when you have to make a check.
3) Can you use any spell from the Abjuration school to counterspell Dispel Magic as per the feat Improved Counterspell? Yes.
Dispel Magic is an abjuration. It can be counterspelled by Abjurations of 4th level or higher if you have the feat Improved Counterspell.
Note: I realize your intent was to ask about Counterspelling rather than Dispelling but you used the dispel terminology so I felt I should be clear in my answer. :)
- Gauss
no no that is good. i like clarity.
I was thinking of putting dispel magic into a ring of counterspells, and was wondering if that would work
By the rules, yes. But check with your GM regarding the interpretation of point 2. Just make sure you use the correct terminology because if you say 'dispel' instead of 'counterspell' you may incur an argument with your GM until your actual intent is sorted out. :)
One more note: If I were a smart NPC spellcaster (and I usually play smart spellcasters) I would lead with something minor to feel out my enemy. This will (depending on GM interpretation) burn up your Dispel Magic in the Ring of Counterspells. My logic here is that a Dispel Magic put into a Ring of Counterspells is a universal counterspell and thus will apply to any spell cast against the user.
Then again, that is my interpretation and may not be exactly RAW. Check with your GM.
- Gauss
o that is interesting gauss
i figured it would be there if they tried to put a dispel on me, hadnt thought of it the other way.
interesting.
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One more note: If I were a smart NPC spellcaster (and I usually play smart spellcasters) I would lead with something minor to feel out my enemy. This will (depending on GM interpretation) burn up your Dispel Magic in the Ring of Counterspells. My logic here is that a Dispel Magic put into a Ring of Counterspells is a universal counterspell and thus will apply to any spell cast against the user.Then again, that is my interpretation and may not be exactly RAW. Check with your GM.
- Gauss
From Ring of Counterspells SRD...
"..., should that spell ever be cast upon the wearer, the spell is immediately countered, as a counterspell action, requiring no action..." (Emphasis mine)
RAW, ring of counterspells that would only come into play if someone attempted to dispel you with a dispel magic. I know you said your interp, but.... Having a dispel attempt as a free action once a combat makes the 4K price tag seem way cheap.
NOW, that's not to say that leading with something low is a bad idea.... nothing says "Sit this one out, Jimmy" then being subjected to your own feeblemind thanks to spell turning...
Ecaterina, leading 'low' all depends on the situation. I tend to GM spellcasters rather intelligent and they rarely, if ever, give PCs a stand up fight. Hit and run tactics. Why the HECK would a wizard just stand there and take it?
As for the interpretation part, yes, I stated it may not be RAW. :)
- Gauss
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By the rules, yes. But check with your GM regarding the interpretation of point 2. Just make sure you use the correct terminology because if you say 'dispel' instead of 'counterspell' you may incur an argument with your GM until your actual intent is sorted out. :)
One more note: If I were a smart NPC spellcaster (and I usually play smart spellcasters) I would lead with something minor to feel out my enemy. This will (depending on GM interpretation) burn up your Dispel Magic in the Ring of Counterspells. My logic here is that a Dispel Magic put into a Ring of Counterspells is a universal counterspell and thus will apply to any spell cast against the user.
Then again, that is my interpretation and may not be exactly RAW. Check with your GM.
- Gauss
There is a further point against this interpretation. The ring of Counterspells make a reference to the ring of spell storing.
The spells in a ring of spell storing are put in at the minimum caster level, regardless of the actual level of the caster. If the Dispel magic is put in the ring a minimum caster level regardless of the caster actual level and we use your interpretation its utility decline rapidly as you rise in level.
If instead it counter only Dispel magic and do that automatically its utility stay the same independently from the caster level.
Naturally my opinion is discernible as it come from a reference made in passing in the ring description, but normally the ring work against the stored spell regardless of the difference in caster level, while with your interpretation and if charged with Dispel magic the CL of the spell become relevant.
Ecaterina, leading 'low' all depends on the situation. I tend to GM spellcasters rather intelligent and they rarely, if ever, give PCs a stand up fight. Hit and run tactics. Why the HECK would a wizard just stand there and take it?
As for the interpretation part, yes, I stated it may not be RAW. :)
- Gauss
If the attacking spellcaster suspect that the target character can have spell turning active starting low can be a useful tactic.
BTW, in which order you would apply the following effects against Magic Missile:
- the Shield spell total immunity
- Spell turning
- Ring of Counterspells with Magic missile in it?
Diego, I see your point. I may have to revise my interpretation of the Ring of Counterspells.
MM is an excellent opening spell. Hit multiple targets with it and ascertain a couple elements of the defenses they have (shield and SR).
- Gauss