It's Not a Tumor! It's a Mount!


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So lets say that I use Enlarge Person on my tiny Tumor Familiar piglet (Pigpig), and Reduce Person on my small Halfling (Corvan). Now lets say that I permanency these spells. I now have a Tumor a size category larger than my character. Does this mean I can saddle him? Or should I start rolling Fort saves to not die of cancer? Are there any rules that prevent me from doing this? Aside from common sense of course.


Your familiar is not a valid target for Enlarge Person because it's a magical beast, not a humanoid.


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But it is!

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The wizard may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his familiar (as a touch spell) instead of on himself. A wizard may cast spells on his familiar even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of the familiar's type (magical beast).


I can't think of any reason you couldn't, in general.

In your specific case, you couldn't have had a pig tumor familiar because pigs are small rather than tiny, but that's a little beside the point.

The Exchange

Go Alchemist/Druid/Arcane Hierophant (if allowed)
Pick the tumor familiar...


Hahahaha.. I like the idea..
But yeah, the Tumor Familiar discovery does specifically call out a "tiny or diminutive" familiar..

That said, if you were a permanently reduced Halfing you would be Tiny, and a permanently enlarged Tiny familiar would be Small.. so it would still be larger...
And very gross.
I mean really, a tumor on your body that is twice the size and eight times the weight of your character his/herself? Blegh...
But yeah, as far as I know it would probably be valid by RAW.. who knows if anyone would allow it though.


Interzone wrote:

Hahahaha.. I like the idea..

But yeah, the Tumor Familiar discovery does specifically call out a "tiny or diminutive" familiar..

That said, if you were a permanently reduced Halfing you would be Tiny, and a permanently enlarged Tiny familiar would be Small.. so it would still be larger...
And very gross.
I mean really, a tumor on your body that is twice the size and eight times the weight of your character his/herself? Blegh...
But yeah, as far as I know it would probably be valid by RAW.. who knows if anyone would allow it though.

The tumor is supposed to be"a separate creature vaguely resembling a kind of animal suitable for a familiar" , so it's flavor whether it's a veiny throbbing horror movie version or closer to the animal.

I don't think its OP. It's a lot of hassle and expense to make your familiar do double duty as a mount, when you could just go buy a mount.


Ximen Bao wrote:
Interzone wrote:

Hahahaha.. I like the idea..

But yeah, the Tumor Familiar discovery does specifically call out a "tiny or diminutive" familiar..

That said, if you were a permanently reduced Halfing you would be Tiny, and a permanently enlarged Tiny familiar would be Small.. so it would still be larger...
And very gross.
I mean really, a tumor on your body that is twice the size and eight times the weight of your character his/herself? Blegh...
But yeah, as far as I know it would probably be valid by RAW.. who knows if anyone would allow it though.

The tumor is supposed to be"a separate creature vaguely resembling a kind of animal suitable for a familiar" , so it's flavor whether it's a veiny throbbing horror movie version or closer to the animal.

I don't think its OP. It's a lot of hassle and expense to make your familiar do double duty as a mount, when you could just go buy a mount.

You can't buy a mount that automatically has half your hitpoints and evasion and all the other stuff familiars get.


It's harmless, have fun.


Thanks for reminding me of the episode of Southpark.


Abraham spalding wrote:
It's harmless, have fun.

until it grows TEETH!

I think the biggest issue would be calculating WTF happens when the tumor returns to the PC. I'd very likely rule that the tumor could not return to the PC, due to them each having opposite size-changing effects permenancied on themselves (and the fact that attaching would seem ineffective for healing when it's so much larger than it's host). It's not a huge drawback, but a drawback nonetheless (have to use healing potions/wands/spells to heal the familiar).

Why does it even need to be a tumor familiar in the first place? couldn't the same thing be done with a regular familiar? I guess this just happens to be a tumor one for this situation.

Grand Lodge

Nab the Improved Familiar feat to grab a Quasit, who can turn into a Wolf, which you can ride.

Nab the Evolved Familiar feat to pick up the Mount evolution.

This works well if you are a small sized Aasimar, as you can then nab the Celestial Servant feat, and have a Celestial Quasit, that can turn into a Wolf you can ride.


Yeah... even with teeth from an alchemist it's harmless... actually less than since it doesn't even have touch spells to deliver, and eats up better options for the alchemist.

I mean I get your point about the tumor grown rampant but it's a small issue (puns!) that doesn't matter too much in my book compared to a better options for additional actions.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Nab the Improved Familiar feat to grab a Quasit, who can turn into a Wolf, which you can ride.

Nab the Evolved Familiar feat to pick up the Mount evolution.

This works well if you are a small sized Aasimar, as you can then nab the Celestial Servant feat, and have a Celestial Quasit, that can turn into a Wolf you can ride.

That won't work since evolved familiar says you can't take mount. I'm not sure why, but it does.


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Thanks for the idea!

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