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Androids in Golarion! :D

1. Do androids age beyond their manufacture/birth state? Or do they simply stay static and stay the same "age", albiet with some possible breakdowns over time?

2. Along those same lines, does an android's hair or nails grow? If not, do they "grow" back if cut or damaged, since androids do heal over time?

3. Would you say fiber optic lighting strands would be an option for "hair"?

(oh man, I can see one of Set's proposed Incandescent bloodline android sorcerers rocking that look now...)

4. Can vampires derive any "sustenence" from an android's blood? How might the nanites in an android's blood react with vampiric consumption?

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5. Android vampires! How do they work? Would they get the same kind of satisfaction from purely organic humanoid blood? Or would they crave/need something stranger?

6. Can androids reproduce, either with other androids or with other races?

7. What would drow fleshwarping result in if it were applied to androids?

8. By the rules this seems to be the case, IIRC, but... Androids are just as vulnerable to disease as their completely organic counterparts, right?

9. Do androids have skeletons capable of being animated by necromancers? How might those look (and possibly function) differently?

10. Do android's percieve sight as other humanoids or do they have some sort of possible HUD-ish display going on there, possibly changing dynamically according to their visual input?

11. Is android memory perfect or does it have failings and hiccups similar to humans?

12. Would outsiders born from android souls inherit some of their artificial nature? Outlook quirks or circuitry aesthetics?

I'm still giddy about androids being on the planet. :)

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Most of your answers depend on whether the android in question is running Jelly Bean, or if it's stuck with Ice Cream Sandwich or—heaven forbid—something older.*

*:
If your android is running Gingerbread:
I'm so, so sorry.

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Vic Wertz wrote:

Most of your answers depend on whether the android in question is running Jelly Bean, or if it's stuck with Ice Cream Sandwich or—heaven forbid—something older.*

** spoiler omitted **

But....I thought PF was backwards compatible... (._. )

;)


Excuse me while I weep...

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Mikaze wrote:

Androids in Golarion! :D

1. Do androids age beyond their manufacture/birth state? Or do they simply stay static and stay the same "age", albiet with some possible breakdowns over time?

2. Along those same lines, does an android's hair or nails grow? If not, do they "grow" back if cut or damaged, since androids do heal over time?

3. Would you say fiber optic lighting strands would be an option for "hair"?

(oh man, I can see one of Set's proposed Incandescent bloodline android sorcerers rocking that look now...)

4. Can vampires derive any "sustenence" from an android's blood? How might the nanites in an android's blood react with vampiric consumption?

!

5. Android vampires! How do they work? Would they get the same kind of satisfaction from purely organic humanoid blood? Or would they crave/need something stranger?

6. Can androids reproduce, either with other androids or with other races?

7. What would drow fleshwarping result in if it were applied to androids?

8. By the rules this seems to be the case, IIRC, but... Androids are just as vulnerable to disease as their completely organic counterparts, right?

9. Do androids have skeletons capable of being animated by necromancers? How might those look (and possibly function) differently?

10. Do android's percieve sight as other humanoids or do they have some sort of possible HUD-ish display going on there, possibly changing dynamically according to their visual input?

11. Is android memory perfect or does it have failings and hiccups similar to humans?

12. Would outsiders born from android souls inherit some of their artificial nature? Outlook quirks or circuitry aesthetics?

I'm still giddy about androids being on the planet. :)

1) They age as if they were human; when they get old, they're all worn down and don't work so well but are wiser and smarter and more charismatic until they finally just stop working (reach maximum age and die). They don't really get wrinkled as they age, but they do just end up looking more "timeworn."

2) As creatures built to be close human approximations, yes, their fingernails and hair grow as if they were actual humans.

3) Perhaps.

4) No... but they can still drain the blood. The nanites don't get to do anything to a vampire once they're in there... unless it's a cybernetic vampire perhaps...

5) Good question. From a purely game rule standpoint... they're just androids with the vampire template. From a story viewpoint... that's very interesting.

6) Androids can have sex, but they can't reproduce in a biological way.

7) It would probably just fail outright.

8) Yes; androids are biological enough to get sick. If they were immune to or resistant to disease they would have that in their stats.

9) Android "bones" are probably pretty freaky looking. Not sure yet what they'd look like, but being the bones of a humanoid, they could be animated as skeletons. Stat wise they'd be pretty much identical to any other Medium humanoid skeleton.

10) They have the same type of vision as humans. There could well be android gizmos that could adjust that.

11) Similar to humans.

12) That's a question for the religious scholars to freak out about.

Silver Crusade

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Thanks! I'm getting Pathfinder androids a bit more now, especially regarding aging, memory, and senses. :)

Now I'm really curious about those skeletons...


I think some Android Skeletons & Zombies will be appearing in my next campaign...

Sovereign Court

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13. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Spoiler:
Couldn't resist, sorry.


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Mikaze wrote:
12. Would outsiders born from android souls inherit some of their artificial nature? Outlook quirks or circuitry aesthetics

"Mommy where do Inevitables come from?"

"Built by the axiomites, dear."

"Mommy where do Axiomites come from?"

:D?


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Android skeleton?


Hill Giant wrote:
Android skeleton?

That was what I thought of...

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Hill Giant wrote:
Android skeleton?

I kind of think of the Replicator Skeleton from Stargate SG-1: The Ark of Truth.

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Lucent wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
12. Would outsiders born from android souls inherit some of their artificial nature? Outlook quirks or circuitry aesthetics

"Mommy where do Inevitables come from?"

"Built by the axiomites, dear."

"Mommy where do Axiomites come from?"

:D?

Axiomites as ascended AI (like androids) is a definite win.


James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

8. By the rules this seems to be the case, IIRC, but... Androids are just as vulnerable to disease as their completely organic counterparts, right?

8) Yes; androids are biological enough to get sick. If they were immune to or resistant to disease they would have that in their stats.

Ok since the android race/monster stat entry does state that the racial trait is immune to disease, does that include supernatural ones like lycanthropy or mummy rot?

My android magus is gonna be in the Carrion Crown AP and was wondering if that was gonna be an issue or not.

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Protoman wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

8. By the rules this seems to be the case, IIRC, but... Androids are just as vulnerable to disease as their completely organic counterparts, right?

8) Yes; androids are biological enough to get sick. If they were immune to or resistant to disease they would have that in their stats.

Ok since the android race/monster stat entry does state that the racial trait is immune to disease, does that include supernatural ones like lycanthropy or mummy rot?

My android magus is gonna be in the Carrion Crown AP and was wondering if that was gonna be an issue or not.

Yup; androids are immune to all diseases. Including lycanthropy and mummy rot.


Immunity to disease is immunity to disease. You get to laugh at mummy rot, ghoul fever and lycanthropy (no beast wars for you!)

Andriod is a pretty good choice for that AP IMO.

<enters haunt with group, most run away>
"Why are you running? I don't see anything!"


WOOHOO!

Silver Crusade

Whoa now I'm really confused. I'm miles away from my ISB at the moment so I can't look it up, but I thought Androids weren't immune. Was that part of their Constructed trait after all?

is all mixed up turned upside down

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Mikaze wrote:

Whoa now I'm really confused. I'm miles away from my ISB at the moment so I can't look it up, but I thought Androids weren't immune. Was that part of their Constructed trait after all?

is all mixed up turned upside down

Yep. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/android


Say it with me, Mikaze: WOOHOO!

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Wait... so how does the clone spell works with androids?


I have looked at the Android's RP value for each individual racial trait and it does not add up to 16. Can someone fill me in on this?

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Secane wrote:
Wait... so how does the clone spell works with androids?

Same way it does with any other humanoid.


Arta Dehghanyar wrote:
I have looked at the Android's RP value for each individual racial trait and it does not add up to 16. Can someone fill me in on this?

Some of the immunities included in the text of constructed weren't included in the cost of constructed.


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So are androids totally emotionless or not? Can they use the Konami code? ;)


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And do they dream of electrical elemental templated sheep?

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Androids CAN feel emotions, but not very well and they simply don't process them accurately. They're immune to certain types of magically induced emotions (notably fear effects and magical emotion effects), but can feel their own emotions... but just not very well. Think of them as nearly "blind" (or at the least, VERY nearsighted) when it comes to emotions. There is likely an android SOMETHING out there that can unlock this blindness, just as glasses can "unlock" near blindness.


I want to play an android magus. My question would be, can they keep a digital copy of their spellbook in memory? Not to cast on the fly from, but so that they never lose their spellbook. Like their study time each night looks like a trance as they retrieve spells from storage for use the next day.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Androids CAN feel emotions, but not very well and they simply don't process them accurately. They're immune to certain types of magically induced emotions (notably fear effects and magical emotion effects), but can feel their own emotions... but just not very well. Think of them as nearly "blind" (or at the least, VERY nearsighted) when it comes to emotions. There is likely an android SOMETHING out there that can unlock this blindness, just as glasses can "unlock" near blindness.

Like maybe they have some parallels with RL issues some have reading emotions in others and expressing their own? That is, an android might have as much of a well of empathy within as a human, but has incredible difficulty understanding why it feels what it feels, what it's feeling, and expressing that?

Re: Immunities, wow, I'll be. Completely overlooked that.


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Mikaze wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Androids CAN feel emotions, but not very well and they simply don't process them accurately. They're immune to certain types of magically induced emotions (notably fear effects and magical emotion effects), but can feel their own emotions... but just not very well. Think of them as nearly "blind" (or at the least, VERY nearsighted) when it comes to emotions. There is likely an android SOMETHING out there that can unlock this blindness, just as glasses can "unlock" near blindness.

Like maybe they have some parallels with RL issues some have reading emotions in others and expressing their own? That is, an android might have as much of a well of empathy within as a human, but has incredible difficulty understanding why it feels what it feels, what it's feeling, and expressing that?

Re: Immunities, wow, I'll be. Completely overlooked that.

I am now reminded of R. Dorothy Wainwright from The Big O.

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xorial wrote:
I want to play an android magus. My question would be, can they keep a digital copy of their spellbook in memory? Not to cast on the fly from, but so that they never lose their spellbook. Like their study time each night looks like a trance as they retrieve spells from storage for use the next day.

Nope; an android's memory works as well as a human's memory, more or less. An android magus or wizard has to keep a spellbook.


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When it comes to emotions, I'm seeing it as Data from Star Trek TNG with a limited/malfunctioning emotion chip: still learning his own and recognizing it in others, with the occasional inappropriate timing robotic laughter with awkward cadence. Ha! HahaHAhahA ^_^

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Protoman wrote:
When it comes to emotions, I'm seeing it as Data from Star Trek TNG with a limited/malfunctioning emotion chip ^_^

Perhaps... although androids don't generally have the sudden unexpected emotional outbursts that malfunctioning Data had.

The BEST movie comparasion for how Golarion androids behave is the Alien movies. Ash from "Alien," Bishop from "Aliens," and David from "Prometheus" are pretty much the primary inspiration for these androids, with something of a dose of the replicants from "Blade Runner" thrown in to boot.

Silver Crusade

Blade Runner! YES!

Now GMs everywhere are going to be giving their android PCs unicorn dreams. ;)


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Ooo Bishop was badass.

Silver Crusade

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Mikaze wrote:

Blade Runner! YES!

Now GMs everywhere are going to be giving their android PCs unicorn dreams. ;)

Except that in this case they actually are dream spells sent by a unicorn sorcerer in need.

Silver Crusade

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FallofCamelot wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Blade Runner! YES!

Now GMs everywhere are going to be giving their android PCs unicorn dreams. ;)

Except that in this case they actually are dream spells sent by a unicorn sorcerer in need.

It's a Ridley Scott twofer!

Silver Crusade

Mikaze wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Blade Runner! YES!

Now GMs everywhere are going to be giving their android PCs unicorn dreams. ;)

Except that in this case they actually are dream spells sent by a unicorn sorcerer in need.

It's a Ridley Scott twofer!

As long as it's more coherant than Prometheus you should be fine :)


darkwarriorkarg wrote:
(no beast wars for you!)

D:


James Jacobs wrote:
xorial wrote:
I want to play an android magus. My question would be, can they keep a digital copy of their spellbook in memory? Not to cast on the fly from, but so that they never lose their spellbook. Like their study time each night looks like a trance as they retrieve spells from storage for use the next day.
Nope; an android's memory works as well as a human's memory, more or less. An android magus or wizard has to keep a spellbook.

:( Oh well, lol.

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Mikaze wrote:
FallofCamelot wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Blade Runner! YES!

Now GMs everywhere are going to be giving their android PCs unicorn dreams. ;)

Except that in this case they actually are dream spells sent by a unicorn sorcerer in need.

It's a Ridley Scott twofer!

Will we ever see non-human androids?

Android unicorns? With rainbow colored nylon manes? :D

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Depends if someone out there's making them... although it'd probably be called something other than an android if it doesn't look human. Since that's kinda the whole point of an android.


Construct Unicorn with the Robot Template.


James Jacobs wrote:
Androids CAN feel emotions, but not very well and they simply don't process them accurately. They're immune to certain types of magically induced emotions (notably fear effects and magical emotion effects), but can feel their own emotions... but just not very well. Think of them as nearly "blind" (or at the least, VERY nearsighted) when it comes to emotions. There is likely an android SOMETHING out there that can unlock this blindness, just as glasses can "unlock" near blindness.

Thanks. No emotions would be unfun to play.


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Secane wrote:

Will we ever see non-human androids?

Android unicorns? With rainbow colored nylon manes? :D

Always i wanna be with you... Couldn't resist, sorry xD.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Protoman wrote:
When it comes to emotions, I'm seeing it as Data from Star Trek TNG with a limited/malfunctioning emotion chip ^_^

Perhaps... although androids don't generally have the sudden unexpected emotional outbursts that malfunctioning Data had.

The BEST movie comparasion for how Golarion androids behave is the Alien movies. Ash from "Alien," Bishop from "Aliens," and David from "Prometheus" are pretty much the primary inspiration for these androids, with something of a dose of the replicants from "Blade Runner" thrown in to boot.

See, I'm of the opinion that Data *did* have emotions, he just didn't know what to do with them/they were really muted. (shooting the guy in The Most Things) some of his relationships, etc.

I can picture an android being almost like aspbergers people in a way. ALso if they judge emotions by others, they're likely to be more confused. "Hmm, I feel something, is it joy? But I do not react the way humans/elves/dwarves/gnomes react to joy. So it must not be joy."

Someone with good control over their face could have fun with it.
*party comes into a town where the villiagers have killed and been killed by goblins. Android lets out a cheer.*
Human: What the hells is wrong with you? Look at all these dead people.
Android: But look at the dead goblins, is that not a time for an expression of joy?

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James Jacobs wrote:
Depends if someone out there's making them... although it'd probably be called something other than an android if it doesn't look human. Since that's kinda the whole point of an android.

Well, what if whatever made the android doesn't look human itself? Why would, for example, the Elder Things make an android that looked human?


yeah....but android has specific connotations that mean "robot that looks like a humanoid"


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Kthulhu wrote:
Well, what if whatever made the android doesn't look human itself? Why would, for example, the Elder Things make an android that looked human?

Perhaps you answered your own question. The androids' creators must be human because androids appear human. Or androids appear human because humans are the dominant species of Golarion. Maybe whatever made the androids designed them to appear as "normal" as possible so they blend in more effectively.

Where do androids come from? Numerian super technology right? The same super technology that gave us the Gearsmen. Gearsmen appear humanoid as well, though it's hinted that humanoid was not their original form; that there is something "off" about them, as if their humanoid appearance was quickly and inefficiently fored on them. Could androids not share the same origin?

Possible scenario: the craft that will one day be called Silver Mountain crashes into Numeria. Whatever alien life is aboard does a quick scan of the planet, learns that humans are the primary intelligent species, and thus morphs the robots/Gearsmen into a roughly humanoid appearance. Realizing that this mimicry is absolutely not fooling anyone, the aliens take some time to forge a more delicate approximation of humanity. Thus, androids.

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Generic Villain wrote:
Possible scenario: the craft that will one day be called Silver Mountain crashes into Numeria. Whatever alien life is aboard does a quick scan of the planet, learns that humans are the primary intelligent species, and thus morphs the robots/Gearsmen into a roughly humanoid appearance. Realizing that this mimicry is absolutely not fooling anyone, the aliens take some time to forge a more delicate approximation of humanity. Thus, androids.

And we're back to Beast Wars :-)

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