I had a thought but I could use some help! (Brain Ooze Swarm?)


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Sczarni

I wanted to see if I could make a brain ooze swarm. However I'm still a little puzzled as to how to make a regular brain ooze (CR 7) into a swarm.

I figured the CR rating might be 10-12 but I could be wrong. I would really like some input. Thanks!

Sczarni

No one? Not a single suggestion?


Anything that is a viable challenge solo should probably not be made into a swarm.

Edit: The only example I can think of is rot grubs as a hazard and rot grub swarms, but that still isn't the same.

Sczarni

Whale_Cancer wrote:

Anything that is a viable challenge solo should probably not be made into a swarm.

Edit: The only example I can think of is rot grubs as a hazard and rot grub swarms, but that still isn't the same.

Uhm why? I mean I can understand say, no Balor swarms. But this is an ooze. Oozes can become swarms. I just thought it was a logical step.


Brain Ooze, CR 7. Tiny.

"A swarm of Tiny creatures consists of 300 nonflying creatures..."

300 CR 7 creatures?

What is that, CR 189?

Also, swarms tend to be mindless or very stupid (I cannot think of any exceptions at the moment). Brain Oozes have 15 int, making them doubly ill-suited to a swarm.

Sczarni

Whale_Cancer wrote:

Brain Ooze, CR 7. Tiny.

"A swarm of Tiny creatures consists of 300 nonflying creatures..."

300 CR 7 creatures?

What is that, CR 189?

Also, swarms tend to be mindless or very stupid (I cannot think of any exceptions at the moment). Brain Oozes have 15 int, making them doubly ill-suited to a swarm.

Well I was thinking more along the lines of a CR 10-12. There are some smart swarms. Hellwasp Swarm for example.

I don't see just because having an Int score shouldn't preclude an ooze (which can swarm!) (especially since it's tiny!), to be able to become a swarm.


Whale_Cancer wrote:

Brain Ooze, CR 7. Tiny.

"A swarm of Tiny creatures consists of 300 nonflying creatures..."

300 CR 7 creatures?

What is that, CR 189?

Rat: CR 1/4

Rat Swarm (300 rats): CR 2

That's not how that works.


Rynjin wrote:
Whale_Cancer wrote:

Brain Ooze, CR 7. Tiny.

"A swarm of Tiny creatures consists of 300 nonflying creatures..."

300 CR 7 creatures?

What is that, CR 189?

Rat: CR 1/4

Rat Swarm (300 rats): CR 2

That's not how that works.

The difference, of course, is that things work differently at higher CRs. Rats are only given stats for use as familiars, otherwise they are too weak to even be of note in the game.

Why wouldn't any one of the brain oozes split off from the swarm to inflict major damage? 300 of them using swarm tactics is, frankly, stupid. While with rats, it makes perfect sense.


Nightfall wrote:
Whale_Cancer wrote:

Brain Ooze, CR 7. Tiny.

"A swarm of Tiny creatures consists of 300 nonflying creatures..."

300 CR 7 creatures?

What is that, CR 189?

Also, swarms tend to be mindless or very stupid (I cannot think of any exceptions at the moment). Brain Oozes have 15 int, making them doubly ill-suited to a swarm.

Well I was thinking more along the lines of a CR 10-12. There are some smart swarms. Hellwasp Swarm for example.

I don't see just because having an Int score shouldn't preclude an ooze (which can swarm!) (especially since it's tiny!), to be able to become a swarm.

Hellwasp swarms have a hive mind. Each hell wasp does not have 6 int. Each brain ooze does have 15 int.


Because as a swarm they don't have to roll to hit with their tentacle attack to do the neural pulse. They can mob a poor sucker until he can't deflect their blows and doesn't know which to target.


Rynjin wrote:
Because as a swarm they don't have to roll to hit with their tentacle attack to do the neural pulse. They can mob a poor sucker until he can't deflect their blows and doesn't know which to target.

If you think that makes sense, run with it.

Individual attacks would be far more effective, imho. It would also be more in line with how a int 15 monster would fight.


Well if we were talking giving it a CR that made sense for that number of oozes attacking intelligently it'd be up as high as you said earlier.

1d6 Int damage * 150 (we'll assume half miss) = Dead PC.

Maybe they think that's how it's gonna work and it doesn't because of some magical cosmic force that hinders swarms.

Sczarni

Rynjin wrote:

Well if we were talking giving it a CR that made sense for that number of oozes attacking intelligently it'd be up as high as you said earlier.

1d6 Int damage * 150 (we'll assume half miss) = Dead PC.

Maybe they think that's how it's gonna work and it doesn't because of some magical cosmic force that hinders swarms.

Honestly I just want to scare the Piss out of my players. I think they can handle it since they're 10th level PCs will serious advantages. (Like for example I gave them a 45 point buy and they don't have any 1s,2s,or 3s for HP at ANY level.)

I should also add I'm running a modified Carrion Crown. (modified by the monsters not necessarily the storyline.) Right now they're 10th level towards the end of Wake of the Watcher.

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