How can I know if my item was DQ'd?


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I have seen items repeat more than once, yet not mine. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but knowing would help.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Given the 60-second delay, there is zero chance you could have seen all of the items in two hours.

We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.

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The best you can do, I'm guessing, is ask at the end if anyone saw your item?

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wish there was just a list of items somewhere, no descriptions or anything

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That's why some crazy people (like myself) are keeping lists and notes on every item we review. So at the end, we can see a (partial) list of all the items, and common pitfalls.

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Well, my own item was finally presented before me to vote on, so at least I know I wasn't automatically DQ'd.

Even better, it was placed against an item I had viewed before and had been unimpressed with.

With that said, I am less impressed with my item now, than when I submitted it, since I have seen the competition!

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I've seen a few pretty cool items, too (but not mine yet).


I haven't run across mine yet either. I keep telling myself that there's so many submissions and I just haven't gone through enough of them yet.

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Vic Wertz wrote:
We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.

Kay that makes me paranoid. One of the rules out there is don't make multiple item submissions with different accounts. Depending on how you guys sleuth that I could be DQed for encouraging my two best friends to submit an item. If you do it off IP address then we're all 3 screwed because we use each others computers all the time because we game together allot and I make liberal use of the boards and PDFs I bought in my pathfinder account.

Any sort of scrutiny would sort that out as I believe all three of us have ordered books with our accounts at separate physical addresses but if it doesn't have a human checking and its just some piece of code then I screwed myself by telling my friends about the competition.

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Vic Wertz wrote:
We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.

So we're technically forced to vote for hours for the remote possibility of it? Makes sense

Paizo Employee PostMonster General

We absolutely do not have an robot that will DQ for using multiple accounts to submit items, or any other reason, actually.* I do not trust robot judgement to make correct decisions about stuff like that. If we think something's hinky, actual human beings will investigate.

*(This includes word count, even though we could easily automate that since we have a word counter built right into the submission form and the item display.)

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OK thanks for addressing my paranoia


clandestino wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.
So we're technically forced to vote for hours for the remote possibility of it? Makes sense

No one, in point of fact, is forcing you to do anything.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Marathon Voter Season 9 aka Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan

To eliminate the ambiguity, you could tell is all about your item here, then we know it'll be DQ'd!

Designer, RPG Superstar Judge

clandestino wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.
So we're technically forced to vote for hours for the remote possibility of it? Makes sense

I don't believe that answering the question of "Is my item disqualified?" is the reason we created public voting for R1 this year.

(And in past years, you wouldn't be notified about your item being DQ'd, you'd just make it into the Top 32, or you wouldn't.)

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clandestino wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
We won't be telling you if your item is DQd, just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.
So we're technically forced to vote for hours for the remote possibility of it? Makes sense

I think perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of the word "forced". Vote or not as you choose, there is no coercion or duress involved.

Also, why should the inclusion or exclusion of one's entry in any way impact whether one votes for the others' entries?

Shadow Lodge Star Voter Season 6

I have spent a number of hours voting to see if my item populated. I do not believe it has been DQed, but it is unsettling that I have seen several repeats without seeing my own item displayed once. For the time being, I will just pretend my item is floating around somewhere and being voted on. Looking forward to the next round.

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Vic Wertz wrote:
... just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.

Why not release an overall comprehensive ranking list? It would be instructive for people to know where their submission ranked.


Clouds Without Water wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
... just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.
Why not release an overall comprehensive ranking list? It would be instructive for people to know where their submission ranked.

+1 for some kind of final list, even if not a final rank. It's not like the submissions aren't available to people who want to see them, it would just make it easier for people to learn.

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I would also like to see my item's ranking when the voting ends, but I don't think that'll happen. And well, seeing your item at the bottom of the reject pile would be disheartening to many contestants and they'd never try again. A list of the 100 most popular items might be a good idea, though. (Though not necessarily in the order they were ranked because the judges do have the right to not include very popular items in the top 32.) Last year they showed which items made the initial Keep folder. so there's a chance a top 100 or 80 or 60 or whatever might be shown to us.

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Clouds Without Water wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
... just like we won't be telling you if you garnered the fewest number of votes.
Why not release an overall comprehensive ranking list? It would be instructive for people to know where their submission ranked.

I disagree. It would be instructive for people to know WHY their submission ranked where it did. And since there are as many voters as there are items (or more) AND the ranking is compared to a random item (not a set standard) AND two choices of 'better' or 'not better' (not 'good but I prefer blue') AND because there are only three categories (top 5% top 10% and everyone else) that's not going to happen. The ranking only matters if you are in the top 32. Even then it does not mean you learned something. Look at the number of people who are repeat contenders. It is small.

What IS instructive is to look at the previous Top 32, the previous critique my item threads, SKR selection advice, and the 4 actual judges podcast. Somewhere in there is your item. Find it, fix it, polish it. If you already did that your chances being in the Keep pile are good. knowing WHERE in the reject pile you are will not tell you as much as what has alredy been said. :)

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Curaigh, I mostly agree with what you said - knowing WHY the judges liked or didn't like your item or other items is important.

However, if we get to vote on round 1 next year, it's VERY important to know what kind of items were popular even if they didn't make the top 32. The judges have the final word, but if your item isn't a crowd-pleaser, the judges will probably never even see it.


i would also like to see a list of all the items that were voted on.

i dont need to see what it got or how it did, although i would like to see that info.

but i too feel some worry that mine isn't even being voted on.

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Tenro wrote:

i would also like to see a list of all the items that were voted on.

i dont need to see what it got or how it did, although i would like to see that info.

but i too feel some worry that mine isn't even being voted on.

Remember this goes on for another couple weeks, so there's plenty of time for all items to get into the pool.

"Random" is a hard thing to deal with. We want to think there's a pattern to think we want to think, okay, at some point, my item has GOT to show up. But there are LOADS and loads of entries, and "random" means we can be shown the same item three times and never see one item once (while another voter sees that item you never see six times). Try not to fret, and if it's getting to you, I'd suggest taking a break from voting for awhile. Come back in a few days.

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Nefarious Website
Aura: Moderate Illusion CL: 6
Slot: PC, laptop, tablet or smartphone

Description:
This innocuous appearing website appears harmless, until the user posts an entry for a contest.

Once the entry is posted, the user must make a Will save DC 25 or suffer a compulsion to vote on the entries provided. Each time the user initiates a new vote, there is a 1% chance (or a roll of 01 on a d100) that the entry he posted will appear.

Each time that the voting parameters load and the user's entry does not display, the user must make a Will save DC 10 or become sullen, culminating in a -2 morale penalty to all perception checks, and will begin to immediately stress-eat until such a time as his entry appears. Each time the user makes a save, add 1 to the save DC. In addition, the sullen instances stack. When the user reaches 10 instances of sullen, he also takes on the dejected affect, causing his teeth to itch and causing a -6 morale penalty to all Intelligence and Wisdom checks, and will no longer be able to communicate in full sentences.

Should his entry appear, all negative affects are removed, and he will immediately be imparted a +10 morale bonus to all skill checks, excluding Charisma based skills, which suffer a -6 annoying penalty, as the user will not be able to shut up about it.

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I'd vote for that, but it didn't follow the formatting. ;)

(heeheehee, nice one)

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It's DQed. No Construction listed. No Price listed.

still nice and fitting


I hate it when I find an item I haven't seen before that hooks me, and then in the last line or two lets me go again, usually by neglecting a key piece of information. So close...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka SmiloDan

I've seen the same item 2 times in a row, but I still haven't seen my item, and I've been voting for several days now. I've seen lots and lots of repeat items. Some items I have seen many, many times.

Is there a tally of how many items there are? At least then I would know if I have a 1-in-500 or 1-in-5000 or 1-in-50,000 chance of seeing it.

I can't even ask if anyone else has seen my item, because that would un-anonymousize myself. :-(

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Dan Jones wrote:

I've seen the same item 2 times in a row, but I still haven't seen my item, and I've been voting for several days now. I've seen lots and lots of repeat items. Some items I have seen many, many times.

Is there a tally of how many items there are? At least then I would know if I have a 1-in-500 or 1-in-5000 or 1-in-50,000 chance of seeing it.

I can't even ask if anyone else has seen my item, because that would un-anonymousize myself. :-(

All I can same is that in my personal experience, I would guess (Very Roughly) that there is some where between 1,200 and 1,500 items.

This is based on the fact that I have done a lot of voting and have seen over 1,100 items if my count is right.

At this point, I am rarely seeing new items.

Hope this helps.

Also, Good Luck.

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Wow!

How did you find out how many items you've seen? Was it automated, or did you just count yourself?

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Dan Jones wrote:

Wow!

How did you find out how many items you've seen? Was it automated, or did you just count yourself?

I have kept a rough count.

Also just for fun I would like to add that I currently, after 1,100 + items, have 53 items in my keep folder, and three in my "Wow" folder.

Unless I am very off, I believe at least those three will see the top 32.

I am honestly excited to see if they do.

The above is simply my opinion of course.

Edit: Also, it did take over 900 items viewed until I saw my own.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 8

I'm not certain how the disqualification process works, but since our submissions are linked to our accounts it shouldn't be too hard to have an automated message sent when the DQ button is clicked informing the submitter of his/her disqualification.

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greysector wrote:
I'm not certain how the disqualification process works, but since our submissions are linked to our accounts it shouldn't be too hard to have an automated message sent when the DQ button is clicked informing the submitter of his/her disqualification.

I don't get this need to know about disqualifications. I mean, the indicators for why something would get disqualified are pretty obvious. Over word count. Not a wondrous item. IP infringement. And so on. The reasons are listed in the rules/FAQ. Can you not simply assess your submission and compare it to those disqualification criterion and determine it for yourself? I'd think it would be pretty obvious from there. Why would you require notice from Paizo that it'd been disqualified if you can discern it on your own? Especially since you should be able to discern it on your own?

I guess I get the sense of fear, anxiety, trepidation, and second-guessing that the contest conjures up for people. I had plenty of self-doubts during my run, as well. So, I remember that feeling. But I'd never have let that lead me to request official notice on whether or not I'd been disqualified. Unless I perceived a very clear reason for why my item would have been disqualified, I'd just assume it cleared the first barrier and wait for the announcement of the Top 32. After that, if I didn't make it into the competition and wanted more feedback, I'd expect an opportunity to request such insight via the "Critique My Item" thread which always shows up in January.

But maybe you're new the contest and haven't read any of those threads before?

Perplexed,
--Neil

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Neil,

People want to know if they were DQed because they are spending time and effort voting at least partially in hope of seeing their item to vote on. It might be pretty obvious to seasoned writers which items merit disqual but there are a lot of first-timers and also a fair amount of ambiguity in the DQ rules. Combine this with the excitement and anticipation of entering the contest and an entrant might not *want* to believe their item was DQed. I'm guessing there are a lot of people whose items were DQed who are eagerly voting and hoping to see their item. Come Jan. 20 these people are all going to be crestfallen when they find out they were never even in the running.

For those intimately familiar with the system the rules are pretty clear, but there's room for interpretation if you're not used to working within the framework of Pathfinder or writing in general. As has been mentioned in other threads, Paizo is interested in seeing new demographic groups compete, including children who might not have a great grasp of the DQ rules you mentioned.

-Over word count - Some people probably didn't read the proviso that the title counts toward the word count. And for those who did, it's not clear if that just meant the title included in the item block or if it also counts the separate entry field for the title, which would effectively count the title twice. So folks close to 300 might be wondering about this.

-Not a wondrous item. As I understand it, "wondrous item" is an informally defined category of items that don't fit into other categories. So "not a wondrous item" really means "not not one of these other categories of items." It's hard to design something to a negative, especially if you're inexperienced in the system. Some wondrous items resemble rods/staves/weapons/artifacts/etc in either description or mechanics or both, and some rods/staves/artifacts seem like they could just as well be wondrous items.

IP infringement - As Sean's other post demonstrates, there was/is a lot of uncertainty over what is/was an IP infringement. Also it's quite possible that someone submitted an IP item by chance/error/memory loss.

I understand the point that in the past, nobody was notified of being disqualified. Either you made the 32 or you didn't. The difference is that this year, people are expending time and effort for nearly a month voting, hoping to see their item crop up, when it might not even be there to vote on. Laboring under false pretenses sucks, and also does the contest a disservice as some could be just clicking mindlessly through entries every minute until they see theirs.

I've seen my item, so I know I wasn't DQed. But if I had been, it would have been nice to know.

*Edit* took out unnecessary quotation marks.

Silver Crusade Star Voter Season 6

This.

As Exocrat said, there are indeed ways to get accidentally disqualified. The "not a wondrous item" is a biggie, especially to a newbie, and the chance you might have accidentally copied an existing item (either published or from a prior contest). Add to that the fact that no one on the outside knows how many submissions there are, and thus don't know whether they should have seen their item yet, plus the fact that the contest is specifically for non-professionals, and the month-long wait with bated breath...

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My only DQ concern for myself was parallel design. That I had inadvertently created an item that matched a previously published item that I hadn't found when researching. There are a LOT of things out there for Pathfinder, plus several previous years of RPG Superstar.

Certainly possible to miss a duplicate, even with diligent prep.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

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Okay. Long diatribe coming. And it's been building for awhile, so don't take this as anything that's purely directed just at you guys for raising this issue. I do understand the points you're making, but let me examine it this way. And, as always, keep in mind that I'm NOT a Paizo employee. I'm just a fan, a contributor, and a former-judge and competitor. So, anything I assert here is purely my own opinion and has no bearing whatsoever on how Paizo conducts RPG Superstar.

Spoiler:

First and foremost, I think it's worth pointing out that they've never notified anyone of being disqualified during Round One before. So, I don't see any need to change that...at all. Granted, they've also never crowdsourced the voting in Round One before either, but, the end result of the voting is still the same. The only difference I perceive is suddenly a lot more people have their eyes on items they'd never have seen before. And it's a lot of work on their part to render evaluations of them. And, they're obviously losing some patience with the sheer volume of items that are necessary to review using this "voting" process.

Now, you'll notice I put quotation marks around "voting" when I refer to this process. That's because I really think it's a misnomer in some ways. To me, this is really more of a "sorting" process than a voting process. By participating in this effort, you're voluntarily helping Paizo (and the RPGSS judges) sort the items into a spectrum of those that are deemed of good quality and those that are not. This will speed the judges' ability to actually render their votes on which items make the Top 32. So, you're not "voting" so much as you're helping provide a bunch of comparisons between randomly paired items. The more relationships/comparisons you can indicate, the more quickly all the items get sorted across that spectrum the judges will use to render their actual votes.

So, here's the deal. If people don't understand how the disqualifications work, why worry about that? They're as clear as anyone is ever going to make them. Do other contests take time out to notify everyone who got disqualified at the submission stage? No. They focus their attention on the items that meet the contest's requirements and they leave it to those who got disqualified to go back and re-read the rules once they find out they didn't make the cut. Or, in Paizo's case, they'll let you ask after the Top 32 are announced and they'll provide feedback for you...including whether or not you got DQ'ed and why. In addition, Paizo's rules for RPG Superstar have been rock solid for going on 6 years now. If people are just arriving to the contest and haven't done their homework...both in reading the current rules and seeing what pitfalls people ran afoul of in prior years...I don't see how anyone can really help that. Instead, they need to focus on helping themselves by studying the rules and the history of RPG Superstar. And, until they've done that, they're not ready for RPG Superstar anyway. So, why vex ourselves trying to go out of our way just to point out these things for them? You learn things far better when you come to your own realizations, not simply because someone else provides that knowledge and insight for you.

I don't know. Is that a terribly harsh thing to say? Make no illusions. Everyone's on record here in saying they want the contest to draw more interest to Paizo and Pathfinder and the industry as a whole. But it also needs to be the right kind of attention and interest, especially if folks are serious about competing for a shot to become a Paizo freelancer...and go on to become an industry-wide freelancer. That's the primary goal of the contest. There are certainly secondary goals, too. We all want the contest to be a fun experience for everyone. It helps build the camaraderie and community here. But agonizing over whether or not you fell victim to a diqualification is counter-productive to me.

For instance, are you just voting for your own self-satisfaction? Or are you genuinely trying to support the overall process of RPG Superstar? If it's the former, I can see why you'd be all invested in just knowing how your item fared...and wanting to know if it got DQ'ed when you can't find it among hundreds and hundreds of submissions displayed to you two-at-a-time. If it's the latter, I'd think you'd be more interested in helping Paizo with the sorting process, not vexing yourself or psyching yourself out because it's not all about you and your single item, and exercise some patience to see if you're part of the Top 32 when Paizo is ready to announce it.

But honestly, the folks who want to see running vote tallies for their items...or who argue for "full transparency"...or who only want their own individual item critique and don't care about anyone else's...or who want to be automatically notified if they've been DQ'ed just rubs me the wrong way. I can understand the desire for such things. But I think it's far more important to set that aside and support the contest as a whole more than those individual needs.

Maybe that makes me a bad person? Or maybe I just have unrealistic expectations. Or maybe I'm just insensitive to what others feel going through the wringer and agonizing over their item submission. I don't know. I remember what it was like missing the cut in 2008. I immediately wanted to know why. I really wanted a chance to compete, even then. And I also remember fretting over my item submission in 2009, wondering if it would be good enough to even make the Keep folder. But I knew they wouldn't tell me. Instead, I'd find out eventually. Either I'd be in the Top 32 and it'd all be moot. Or, I'd miss the cut and I'd have opportunities to seek further feedback, if I wanted it...wherein, I knew the judges would either tell me why my item sucked, or they'd let me know it got DQ'ed...and probably for a very valid reason I was too close to things to realize. But the important thing is...they'd tell me when we were both ready...and they'd tell me only if I asked them to...and when they told me, they'd be right.

But, setting that aside, let's say Paizo did notify everyone who got disqualified. What then? Is that going to somehow "satisfy" people to know they went down on a technicality? Did they not avail themselves of the "preview" button or the word counter built into the submission tool? Did they not read the contest rules, the FAQ, or any of the advice that's been posted for 5 straight years already? Even if they did none of those things and got DQ'ed, are they going to somehow be relieved to get an official notice from Paizo about it? I'd be surprised if everyone who got such a notice took it well. More likely, there'd be someone who'd then follow up such a notification with further arguments for why it shouldn't have been DQ'ed. And then, they'd probably abandon the entire voting/sorting process, because there'd be nothing in it for them anymore. To me, that type of activity would continue to focus on the individual...and in a very selfish way. As a result, I just don't think that serves the better interests of the contest or the purpose behind it.

Now, I get that people have been voting a lot...some quite slavishly...all in the hopes of seeing their item, both so they can vote for it, and so they can identify it didn't get DQ'ed. But if you're voting for those reasons, you're really only looking out for number one, aren't you? To adopt that mindset, you're not supporting everyone else in the contest or the principles behind it and this voting/sorting method. For this method to work, Paizo needs lots of people to engage and vote on all the items, or as many as they can. That's because the more comparisons you build between each of these items and the others, the stronger the math becomes in providing a tight grouping of fan-favorites for the judges to examine. And, if they're fan-favorites, there's a good likelihood they'll be favorites of the judges, too.

Yes, I realize it's a tough job. I've done it before from the other side of the curtain before we even had this public voting round. I also realize it's perceived as being even more difficult and less "rewarding" because of all the repeat items (some of them quite bad) that you're asked to endure and compare. But again, remember, the goal here is to provide as many comparisions between these items as possible. That's why you're seeing so many repeat items. It's important that you help compare them to even more items so the math continues to push the bad ones further down the line, while also elevating the consistently good ones higher and higher.

If you're doing your part in the voting according to what I'd deem the "right" way, I'd say you get in there, you suck it up (just like the judges had to do for all the prior years), you review as many as you can, as often as you can, don't complain about the repeat items, don't worry about how many votes you get to cast for your own or whether it's even in there, and trust in the rest of the voting public to elevate your item if it deserves to be, and trust in the math to make this method work. If you're a supporter of RPG Superstar and Paizo and Pathfinder, that should be your own personal voting methodology. Help this succeed and, ultimately, you help yourself. But if you're too self-absorbed about your own item's fate, it's not going to serve you well in the long run. It just won't.

Okay. Whew!

So...that's a lot of venting and grandstanding. And, yes, I realize taking such a stance makes me a huge target for being insensitive, especially towards those who maybe just didn't know enough about the contest yet because they're new to it. I get that. I don't mean to dissuade anyone. I think everyone knows and understands my passion for this thing. That's a no-brainer. And I'm about as supportive as you can be for wanting to see new talent and a new generation of hobby game enthusiasts continue the legacy of this industry. If folks take offense to what I'm saying or the stance I've adopted here, I apologize. But, I also think if you look deep inside yourself and assess the real reasons these requests keep coming up, you'll see that it doesn't serve the best interests of the contest to indulge them. Far better to keep the contest running much the same way it's gone every year...with the added opportunity/responsibility of giving the judges a bit of a helping hand in sorting the items before they select the Top 32.

But, as always, that's just my respectful two cents,
--Neil

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Dedicated Voter Season 9 aka Darkjoy

Neil Spicer wrote:
Okay. Long diatribe coming. And it's been building for awhile, so don't take this as anything that's purely directed just at you guys for raising this issue.

Neil, that was a very long diatribe :-)

I give you a +1 for it.

The short version is: Superstars don't get DQ-ed.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Darkjoy wrote:

The short version is: Superstars don't get DQ-ed.

And they don't request to be notified if they were DQ'ed. Their subconscious might eat away at a mountain of self-doubts, but they endure and see it through, trusting in the process that's been proven effective for 5 years in a row.

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I'll tell you what: If you REALLY want to know if your item was DQ'd, PM me with the name of your item. I can have Gary verify that it's your item associated with your account, we can look it up in the listing, and I'll PM you back about it.

Of course, by doing so you're breaking the anonymity of your submission, and we'll have to DQ you for it... :p


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Now awaiting the influx of PMs in SKR's inbox from people who failed to read the final line of his post.

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Neil Spicer wrote:
Darkjoy wrote:

The short version is: Superstars don't get DQ-ed.

And they don't request to be notified if they were DQ'ed. Their subconscious might eat away at a mountain of self-doubts, but they endure and see it through, trusting in the process that's been proven effective for 5 years in a row.

Alternately: What would Merisiel do? She would be cool, that's what she would do.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:

I'll tell you what: If you REALLY want to know if your item was DQ'd, PM me with the name of your item. I can have Gary verify that it's your item associated with your account, we can look it up in the listing, and I'll PM you back about it.

Of course, by doing so you're breaking the anonymity of your submission, and we'll have to DQ you for it... :p

::Apply wet towel to burnt area::

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For me it's simple, and not just me being Veruca Salt. I'm perfectly happy to learn from mistakes; I make more than enough of them, trust me :)

However, I cannot learn from a mistake I have no idea I made. Thus, if I happen to have made a mistake with my item, I have no way of knowing it (and not making it again) unless someone goes "You IDIOT! Your item does XYZ and was an auto-DQ."

Sure, I get it, "superstars don't ask if they're DQ-ed." But I don't buy it. It seems to me the people who think they don't need advice very often are the ones who need the most advice. Or, in other words, the better you think you are, the less likely you are to be as good as you think you are.

See: Dunning-Kruger Effect.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

There's nothing preventing you from asking for feedback on your item after you learn you've missed the cut. The OP was asking if they could know whether they'd be DQ'ed before the Top 32 are selected. The answer to that question is "no" as provided by Vic himself. But there have been several examples of folks posting to the "Critique My Item" thread only to be told they were DQ'ed...and why. So, no one's saying you can't "learn from a mistake you have no idea you made"...because, there's nothing preventing you from finding out about it, if you request feedback after the Top 32 are announced.

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Neil Spicer wrote:
There's nothing preventing you from asking for feedback on your item after you learn you've missed the cut.

An excellent point; I was even thinking about that very thing just now and mulling over whether to edit my post. Thanks for saving me the effort :)

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