Marathon Voter Season 7
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There are some very interesting ideas I have seen so far, but most of my pairings are getting the "neither" vote as well. I haven't seen more than a handful of what i would call bad ones, but the majority are nevertheless not quite as polished as I think a Superstar item should be.
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I was actually surprised by how not-bad many of these were. I was expecting fire and brimstone, and am pleasantly surprised at the quality.
I've come to accept the fact that I'll need to look past item formatting for minor things though.
I've seen some good items, at least compared to the other one under review. I did push neither a few times.
I knew I would be exposed to some bad entries but some are really bad.
I think the public vote will be a better educational tool into what makes a good item than most of the other advice out there. You get good at spotting obvious mistakes REAL quick.
I was just going to start his thread. My respect for the judges from the prior years has increased a thousand-fold.
I will say, I don't think the neither option is meant for disdain; but, as a measure to eliminate ties. The items will show up again as you continue with your voting. I think it has been programmed as a reshuffle: not a judgement.
I've gone through a dozen at this point - I voted neither for six of those pairs. Three others were kind of interesting, better than the other at least, so I voted for them. The other three I voted for weren't as polished as I would like, but had some cool ideas, so I saved them.
Agreed. The judges are stellar, and now we know why.
Eye Bleed items - yeah, seen some...
Fat Template Fu - yeah, he will need kids to help eat the template errors
Cool items - seen a couple
Is it fun - you better believe it... so much so that
If you ever conceive taking my vote button away, there will be ramifications... like no Christmas for you!
I was just going to start his thread. My respect for the judges from the prior years has increased a thousand-fold.
I will say, I don't think the neither option is meant for disdain; but, as a measure to eliminate ties. The items will show up again as you continue with your voting. I think it has been programmed as a reshuffle: not a judgement.
Neither for me at least means that both are bad and undeserving of my vote.
Good to know. I used neither a lot.
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well .. i was feeling bad about constantly choosing neither.
I was asking myself if I was too much critic just because I'm in the competition... but apparently not... many items are just bad....
And a lot of item openly disregards any possible suggestion given to the contestants...
I have already read at least 5 different pieces of technology disguised (and badly) as magic.
Just remember, there are HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of items submitted each year, and only THIRTY-TWO make it to the next round. That means hundreds are rejected for various reasons. And even if only 25% are rejected for being really bad, that's still HUNDREDS of items that are... destined for infamy, so to speak. :)
Spell-in-a-can! Spell-in-a-can!
Is there a chance that the next year we could get ability to comment on each item so their authors could see the critique after the voting ends?
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We've clarified the FAQ for when you should select "neither" as an option.
Do I have to express a preference?
No, but the ranking method we're using works much better if you do. If you think two items are both bad, pick the one that is less bad. If they're both awesome, pick the one that is more awesome. If you think the two items really are exactly as good or as bad as each other, click "Vote for Neither."
In other words, "neither" should be a last, not first, choice.
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We've clarified the FAQ for when you should select "neither" as an option.
Do I have to express a preference?
No, but the ranking method we're using works much better if you do. If you think two items are both bad, pick the one that is less bad. If they're both awesome, pick the one that is more awesome. If you think the two items really are exactly as good or as bad as each other, click "Vote for Neither."In other words, "neither" should be a last, not first, choice.
Sure, I read it ... And I'm doing it now...
I just still feel a little dirty inside...
I've only seen a couple of awful ones. Most are just kinda boring. Good enough for a homebrew, but nothing exciting about them.
What a nice idea for an item. But the language is horrible.
Just remember, there are HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of items submitted each year, and only THIRTY-TWO make it to the next round. That means hundreds are rejected for various reasons. And even if only 25% are rejected for being really bad, that's still HUNDREDS of items that are... destined for infamy, so to speak. :)
Well I feel a little better, having previously thought that my chances were one in thousands.
I had one where I seriously loved both items. I stared at them for a long while and shook my head as I clicked the one I liked just a bit more than the other.
Hope you get the votes you need, other person!
For me, it's the lack of formatting on a lot of them (followed by ignoring advice that have been made very clear by the judges) I'm finding most startling. Trying now to make sure I choose one of them at least, though.
OK, noted. Will stop using the neither button. But I already hate voting for sub-optimal entries :<
OK, noted. Will stop using the neither button. But I already hate voting for sub-optimal entries :<
for every bad item you vote for against a worse item, remember that a better item will soon be compared to both, and get both votes. That's the way the system works.
This method of voting is starting to feel a little unfair, so I'm hoping it all comes out in the wash...
When I have two really terrible items showing, I must give a vote to one that doesn't really deserve a vote. Then, I'm served up two items that both deserve a vote, but only one gets a vote.
Now a bad item has one more vote than a far superior item.
Is there a way that this eventually balances out? (Please forgive my ignorance on the voting logic that is going on behind the scenes.)
If we press the "Report this item for breaking the contest rules" button do we get to submit a reason as well?
This method of voting is starting to feel a little unfair, so I'm hoping it all comes out in the wash...
When I have two really terrible items showing, I must give a vote to one that doesn't really deserve a vote. Then, I'm served up two items that both deserve a vote, but only one gets a vote.
Now a bad item has one more vote than a far superior item.
Is there a way that this eventually balances out? (Please forgive my ignorance on the voting logic that is going on behind the scenes.)
When you vote for an item, you aren't saying "this item is good", you're saying "this item is better than that item". Beating a bad item doesn't mean as much as beating a good item.
In short, we're being smarter than just counting who got the most pluses.
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PostMonster General
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You're not voting for or against an individual item. You're just telling us that "this item is better than that one". We have some complicated math that we're going to do that combines all those pairwise comparisons into one giant "this item is better than that item, is better than that item, is better than that item" chain. The judges will then use that chain, starting at the top-ranked item and working their way down, to select the final top 32.
If you click "report this item" you are not given a chance to provide a reason. If an item breaks the rules the judges can figure out what rule it's broken.
This is kind of fun! But then, it has only been a couple of hours.
Major kudos for the folks who´ve taken it upon themselves over the past 5 years, definitely.
If we press the "Report this item for breaking the contest rules" button do we get to submit a reason as well?
No, and if you do that you can't vote for the other one.
If you see one really flagrant rule violator next to a really good item, what should you do?
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Marathon Voter Season 7
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I notice that some of the items I voted "neither" for, do in fact show up again, allowing me to vote for a better item against it. So that sort of works out that way, but I duly note I should vote for the slightly less bad of two items if there is one.
And I have had one I reported because it clearly did not follow the template provided in any fashion.
There are a lot of items that don't have the price of the item as 2x the cost to craft it.
Is that a "breaking contest rules" issue? Or is only what was specified in the FAQ grounds for that vote?
No, that's a design mistake, not a violation of the rules. Factor it in as you would missing coding or what have you.
It's not even close, and some people actually reversed it, so it costs twice as much to craft an item than to buy one on the streets.
That's bad design, and a Pathfinder rules violation, but not a Contest rules violation. Judge it, but it's not a disqualification.
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Chief Technical Officer
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If we press the "Report this item for breaking the contest rules" button do we get to submit a reason as well?No, and if you do that you can't vote for the other one.
If you see one really flagrant rule violator next to a really good item, what should you do?
Report it. It doesn't really help all that much if the awesome one beats one that gets dropped out of the competition.
Now I'm embarrassed for "complaining" so quickly. If I had waited until after voting for several items, the pattern would've become clear to me, and now I get it.
After voting for roughly 4 hours last night, I really started to get the feel for how the contest is working and I have to say, it's genius!
Kudos to the Developers and another hearty pat on the back for the Judges. I can't believe what you must've endured for all the previous years.
...Back to voting!
Yeah, after reading about a dozen of these, I agree - Sean, Clark, and Neil should be fast-tracked for sainthood.
My respect for the judges from the prior years has increased a thousand-fold.
/hat tip
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It's not even close, and some people actually reversed it, so it costs twice as much to craft an item than to buy one on the streets.
Reversing it is a pretty easy mistake to make - basically its putting the cost in the price and the price in the cost and then not realizing you got them backwards. Its one of those errors that when you do it, you don't notice it because the math is all right and you are fixated on other things.
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Just hit 300 pairs. Many great names. Quite a few have caught my eye. The more items I look at, the more I wonder at the sanity of the Judges for volunteering to look through the items the previous years willingly.
Great job to all past, present, and future judges!
You're not voting for or against an individual item. You're just telling us that "this item is better than that one".
I think a lot of people don't quite get that; instead they think they're voting for one of the items to WIN.
Now, if the buttons said "Lazard's Ladle is better" and "Fu-Manchu's Mansion of Fu is better" there might be less confusion.
Edit: Again with the typing 'thing' instead of 'think!'
You're not voting for or against an individual item. You're just telling us that "this item is better than that one".I think a lot of people don't quite get that; instead they thing they're voting for one of the items to WIN.
Now, if the buttons said "Lazard's Ladle is better" and "Fu-Manchu's Mansion of Fu is better" there might be less confusion.
I was going to suggest the same thing. You vote for things you prefer to win. If the buttons are changed to the proposed, then it may be a bit clearer.
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Just hit 300 pairs. Many great names. Quite a few have caught my eye. The more items I look at, the more I wonder at the sanity of the Judges for volunteering to look through the items the previous years willingly.
Great job to all past, present, and future judges!
Perhaps now more folks will understand why the judges don't provide feedback on every item.
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Perhaps now more folks will understand why the judges don't provide feedback on every item.Just hit 300 pairs. Many great names. Quite a few have caught my eye. The more items I look at, the more I wonder at the sanity of the Judges for volunteering to look through the items the previous years willingly.
Great job to all past, present, and future judges!
I suspect more folks will understand a whole lot of things a lot better.
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Perhaps now more folks will understand why the judges don't provide feedback on every item.
Or how crazy they are when they try to... ;-)
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Echoing the respect to the judges.
I've seen some neat evocative ideas, some terrible ideas, more spells-in-a-can than I care to remember (some decent items, actually, I think I'd rather read an interesting spell-in-a-can than a terrible 'original' idea!), an entry or two trying far too hard to do too many things, some slickly professional stuff and a few that cause the former editor in me to die a little more.
I think I've only 'neithered' one pairing. It was a real Sophie's choice.