Natural attacks so I can be clear


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So here is the deal I want to be able to tell my DM how natural attacks work for a druid. For the sake this goal I am going to use a form that my character does not have knowledge of and a level that I am currently not.

(animals actual template)
Dire Lion (L):
Melee bite +12 (1d8+7 plus grab), 2 claws +13 (1d6+7)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 5 ft.
Special Attacks pounce, rake (2 claws +13, 1d6+7)

Lets say my Str.=22 while in this form and my BAB is +9(/+4) and I am using greater magic fang +3 attack rolls(level 12-13). Tell me if the following is correct if I am in a position to pounce/do full attacks action.

Melee: bite +17 (1d8+6str.+grab), claw +17 (1d6+6str.), claw +17 (1d6+6str.), [pounce] claw +17 (1d6+6), claw +17 (1d6+6)=w/e the total comes out to

The animal its self treats the attacks as primaries so I am assuming I do as well, but i have seen the pounce be treated as a secondary. Also as I understand it the extra BAB does nothing.


Pounce is a full attack action.

You can't bite, claw, claw AND Pounce in the same round.

You make a charge with pounce - meaning you move and get bite, claw, claw.
following round you just full attack [bite, claw, claw]

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Not quite, you'd get something more like this.
Melee: [pounce] -> bite +17 (1d8+6str.+grab), claw +17 (1d6+6str.), claw +17 (1d6+6str.), Rake +13, 1d6+6, Rake +13, 1d6+6

The following round if you din't maintan the grapple you'd just get

bite +17 (1d8+6str.+grab), claw +17 (1d6+6str.), claw +17 (1d6+6str.)

And yes it is extremely nasty to use.


exactly what i needed to hear!


Of course, if you did maintain the grapple and chose the damage option then you get automatic damage with the bodypart doing the maintaining (bite is the hopeful one here) and then 2 rake attacks (roll the attacks normally). Maintaining has a +9 bonus to the CMD. This is usually superior to the normal attack sequence.

- Gauss

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