Force of Will, concerns


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My second concern:

author said wrote:
Force of Will (Ex): At 7th tier, you can exert your will to cause events to unfold as you would like. As an immediate action, you can expend one use of mythic power to reroll any d20 roll you have made, or force any nonmythic creature to reroll any d20 roll. You can use this ability after the results are revealed, but the roller must take the results of the second roll, even if it is worse.

My concern here is that, by allowing this to occur -after- the first roll, you are taking out-of-character knowledge for making in-character decisions. It is almost a precognitive ability. If that is the intent, ok, but please state that in the description.

If, though, it is intended to allow the character to influence the luck/fate/destiny of another, I would rather see the mechanics reflect that (without a precognitive aspect).

This would then require the player to state the intent to do so BEFORE the die is rolled by the game master (or other character).

The result would then be a modification to the roll. Thus, rather than a reroll, it would apply either a -2/tier penalty or take +2/tier bonus (like True Strike). Or, it could be a flat -20/+20 mod. Or, if you really want to make this extraordinary, cause that action's die roll to be automatically treated as a natural 1 or a natural 20. The result being either extraordinary failure or extraordinary success.

To me, this is more like influencing fate and destiny by will, and less like changing the future.

Just my thoughts,
Ken

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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Dice rerolling doesn't have an inherent precognitive aspect to it. And neither does knowing the result of the ability imply precognitive ability.

The Mythic character is targeted by a Finger of Death by a mythic character and rolls poorly... As their life begins to fade, they think to themselves "Screw this! I want to live and I won't let this guy get the best of me!" and with get force of near divine will, forces back the affect.

I see the second die roll as a test of the character's willpower... either they have enough will to alter the results, or it isn't strong enough, they falter, and they fail the task.

FINAL NOTE: Will in this case means alter reality around yourself willpower, not mental fortitude will power... that's the domain of Will saves of course.


Kenneth.T.Cole wrote:
It is almost a precognitive ability. If that is the intent, ok, but please state that in the description.

exert your will to cause events to unfold as you would like doesn't strike you as "precognative" at all?


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Changing an event that has already happened isn't precognitive.

It's allowing you to roll again, after the results are known.

If it allowed you to reroll before the results are revealed, and take the better roll, then you could make an argument for precognition.

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