The PRD states "A fatigued character becomes exhausted by doing something else that would normally cause fatigue."
If a Monk hits two stunning first with the fatigue effect, does the target become exhausted??
Yes. A creature that can be affected by fatigue and exhaustion will become exhausted if you hit with two stunning fists
RAW, definitely.
There's a thing in spells/magic section of the rules about same source not stacking, but RAW that's in the spells section, has nothing to do w/ monk's stunning fist.
Considering how much the rules are constantly being changed to screw over the monk, I am totally in favor of exacting every ounce of strict RAW benefit you can muster. ;)
Thanks guys. However, I did notice the following excerpt from the prd at the end of the monk`s stunning fist section
The monk must choose which condition will apply before the attack roll is made. These effects do not stack with themselves (a creature sickened by Stunning Fist cannot become nauseated if hit by Stunning Fist again), but additional hits do increase the duration.
I`m not sure what to make of this? Is this an exception to the fatigue rule? ... and what's with the sickened cannot become nauseated anyway? If you stack a sickened over a sickened it's supposed to get you nauseated???
Huh, didn't realise it had that clause. Guess it wouldn't stack then. Pity.
And I don't know about sickened. Maybe? Don't think it worked like that in 3E, could be one of those little PF changes no one notices.
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StreamofTheSky hit the nail on the head, actually. Effects won't stack with themselves. You only get one AC bonus to AC, one keen effect on a weapon, one damage roll for a poison, one type of debuff from stunning fist. Hitting a target with a second stunning fist does not heighten the condition, only refresh the duration.
If you get hit with a poison that does, say, 1d6 dex damage per round for 6 rounds, and you get hit with that same poison 3 rounds later, you don't start taking 2d6 dex damage, you just refresh the duration on the 1d6.
However, if you're high enough level to have access to multiple conditions to the target with your stunning fist you can stack those, i.e., Stunned, fatigued, sickened, staggered, they all stack with each other.
I`m not sure what to make of this? Is this an exception to the fatigue rule? ... and what's with the sickened cannot become nauseated anyway? If you stack a sickened over a sickened it's supposed to get you nauseated???
Essentially, yes, it's an exception to the rule. There are unfortunately a LOT of exceptions -- there are precious few things you can do (where it's the same thing) TWICE to someone that will drive them higher up on the fear/fatigue/nausea scales.
What the 'rule' you are referring to is talking about generally comes into play with MULTIPLE sources that do the same thing.
The spell Waves of Fatigue, for instance, says:
Waves of negative energy render all living creatures in the spell's area fatigued. This spell has no effect on a creature that is already fatigued.
If person A in your party cast this spell and affected a target, and then your monk used Stunning Fist on this already fatigued target, that target would NOW be exhausted.
Different sources.
As you will notice, Waves of Fatigue specifically says it will NOT affect creatures who are already fatigued. So you'd want to be sure to use Stunning Fist after the spell, not before.
Thanks guys. However, I did notice the following excerpt from the prd at the end of the monk`s stunning fist section
The monk must choose which condition will apply before the attack roll is made. These effects do not stack with themselves (a creature sickened by Stunning Fist cannot become nauseated if hit by Stunning Fist again), but additional hits do increase the duration.I`m not sure what to make of this? Is this an exception to the fatigue rule? ... and what's with the sickened cannot become nauseated anyway? If you stack a sickened over a sickened it's supposed to get you nauseated???
The effects of two 'fatigue' hits will not make the subject exhausted. But don't worry, the odds of pulling off two stunning fist hits in one combat are astronomically small against any significant foe anyway, trying for it would be an exercise in frustration.
but it will stack with fatigue effects of spells. so if you have a cold spell wizard sorcerer, or a cleric with the fatigue touch ability you can combo them.