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Found out the reason she was absent - her contract is for 14 eps. She still counts as a series regular and is in the credits, but she isn't in 8 eps. Most of which were that string in Jan/Feb - she had an extended Christmas vacation.


Green,

Still one assumes that she/Willa is ready to find a new show. Or a new series. or whatever.

Sad I know but I can understand why in some ways.


Kinda what I'm thinking. The show - like Supernatural - will continue long after it has become a parody of itself, so long as Amell is willing to sign a new contract.

The rest of the cast is expendable, and are best off getting out while they can still get other jobs.

Its not that I don't enjoy the show. In many ways I like it better than Legends - despite liking much of the other cast far better. But everything must end, and CW likes to drag the dead corpse around.

The Apocalypse was season 5 (a season with an episode titled Jump the Shark, featuring a 3rd younger brother), this is 12?, right? God has a sister. And whatever they are doing now.

Does anyone want that for Arrow?

Given she isn't essential. Her character, Thea Dearden Queen, is a new character based on Mia Dearden - a minor supporting character, who I don't believe has returned from Flashpoint. I would prefer if she (Thea) simply left, and could make guest appearances, or be referenced in present tense from time to time.


Green,

Currently they're dealing with the fallout of God's sister, a dead mom and now Lucifer's love child. (I kid you not. He got out and did it with the USA president's intern.)

What I want from Arrow is for them to have a Flashpoint and reboot it so that Oliver is less Batman and more...well something else.


More Green Arrow, the wise cracking, happy-go-lucky, liberal in the non-insult-intended/look-out-for-the-little-guy sense?


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Green,

Currently they're dealing with the fallout of God's sister, a dead mom and now Lucifer's love child. (I kid you not. He got out and did it with the USA president's intern.)

Don't forget he was possessing the president when they conceived.

Also, Dean killed Hitler.


Green,

Kind of yes.

Sun,

Yeah I forgot about that one. Mostly because Dean won't let anyone else forget...


Sundakan wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Green,

Currently they're dealing with the fallout of God's sister, a dead mom and now Lucifer's love child. (I kid you not. He got out and did it with the USA president's intern.)

Don't forget he was possessing the president when they conceived.

Also, Dean killed Hitler.

LOL,

Say what you want... I still love that show ^_^


Phantom,

I LIKE the show, but I'm not going out of my way to watch every episode like I used to.


Oh I do.

It's had its ups and downs and a few 'meh' seasons... but I still enjoy it more often than not. It's usually my first show on Fridays.


My fridays involve inventive ways to inflict mental anguish on my players...


Saw the first fake out death coming. We didn't actually see it. Not even a sound effect. Though I wasn't expecting the reveal in this episode. She really hates Ollie.

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Katie Cassidy is back for the last 2 eps and returns as a series regular next season. Article claims as Black Siren, but I'm suspecting the Spear of Destiny may be a factor.


Green,

You might suspect that but I doubt it myself.

Liberty's Edge

After watching first 2 seasons of Flash on Netflix, girl friend and I have been watching this. Almost to end of season 3. But I am wondering about season 6.

What are they going to do for flashbacks? If He was away for 5 years and each flashback in a season is a year, aren't they caught up?


Cape,

They are caught up. There will be no more flashbacks. As for season 6 itself? No one has a freaking clue.


Season 6 will flash back to season one DUH

Liberty's Edge

There has been some talk of possibly exploring the support characters and having flashbacks to THEIR past... such as we have already seen with Wild Dog.

Personally, wouldn't be my preference.


Or since we have like 8 or more characters to follow now we could just move around to them.


There was also a Felicity flashback previously. And wasn't there a few for Digg?

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
There was also a Felicity flashback previously. And wasn't there a few for Digg?

I remember being all shocked the first time Diggle had a flashback, I was like, 'Wait, people other than Oliver have pasts?'

And Felicity as a goth in her flashbacks is just awesome.

So, as to the show, did I miss an episode where Ragman died or something? 'Cause I haven't seen him for awhile...


He left the team shortly after the whole absorb a nuke thing I do believe.


Yeah, he used the rags to absorb a nuclear explosion, which put them out of commission (unclear as for how long) and he left.


Kalshane wrote:
Yeah, he used the rags to absorb a nuclear explosion, which put them out of commission (unclear as for how long) and he left.

I think he specifically left to try to find a way to reactivate them.

He's been one of my favorite characters this season, so hoping he might get graduated to Legends if he doesn't appear again on Arrow. His powers just seem to elevate him to a different level than the rest of the crew.


MMC,

Yeah I love Ragman. It would be shame if he was a one off character. Especially since I think he made the team that much more bad-ass.


Agreeing with MMC, he's too powerful for Team Arrow, so is Black Canary.


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Agreeing with MMC, he's too powerful for Team Arrow, so is Black Canary.

eh....Black Canary is a meta but her powers (to me) don't seem to be such that she is on another level of power from the rest of the crew. Ragman is essentially bullet proof and can absorb the blast of a nuke. That's Kryptonian/Flash level of super-powered, not "I can shoot arrows really good".


MMC,

I agree BC has always been more street level. She never stood out to me as being on par with Superman level beings. At most she was a step above Green Arrow but a step below Batgod.


She's a glass cannon. That can shatter glass too. huhuhuhu


Please don't bring back Olicity. This season was better without it.


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I can't frankly blame Oliver. Emily Bett Richards is a cutie.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
I can't frankly blame Oliver. Emily Bett Richards is a cutie.

Agreed.

I'm a huge fan of Felicity... but not so much a fan of Olicity. She's (usually) a great character to have around.. but they are a terrible couple.

Ideally the best case scenario would be for Iris to die and (maybe/maybe not) have Caitlin stay evil... and Felicity moves to Central City. Her and Barry had crazy charisma!


Its because the writers can't have characters in a relationship Chill they have to be stock full of relationship drama. Really though Those two don't really have anything in common aside from the whole superheroing thing. Oliver is not a computer guy and Felicity is not into archery, parkour, and fitness training.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Its because the writers can't have characters in a relationship Chill they have to be stock full of relationship drama. Really though Those two don't really have anything in common aside from the whole superheroing thing. Oliver is not a computer guy and Felicity is not into archery, parkour, and fitness training.

Oliver has the basic problem... of NOT being a very good character! Is he psycho killer? Is he a jokey mild mannered guy? Is he both? Is he a generally nice guy who occasionally pretends to be a psycho killer?? Or is he a Killer who pretends to be the nice guy around his 'friends'?

I don't know... I don't think HE knows.. They backtrack every season and frankly happy Ollie just feels... poorly acted. I just don't buy the soft the sensitive Ollie when Amell is reciting the lines.

Flash?? He's Barry in a Flash Mask. the character is well defined and solid... but Ollie?? They don't know what they want him to be.

yeah, Olicity would never work because it's core is just hooking up the two most physically attractive people on the team and having them rip each others clothes off... which bought them a couple of seasons... but yeah, they have absolutely ZERO in common with each other.


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He definitely leans the talking heads route. psycho killer kes ke se

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
She's a glass cannon. That can shatter glass, too. huhuhuhu

Yeah, she's a hand-to-hand scrapper, like pretty much everyone, with a ranged attack, again, like pretty much everyone. (Bow, guns, canary cry, no huge difference tactically, unless she starts shouting down buildings or something. They all put down people at range.)

Ragman did take it to another level, and was perhaps a little too big for Team Arrow, and may be better suited to tag along with Supergirl, the Flash or the Legends of Tomorrow.


I think too with the main villain using guns arrows etc. rag man could of handled him a lot easier then anyone else on the team and you can't outdo arrow in his own show.


Vid,

I dunno. It feels like they out-do Flash sometimes on his...

But mostly Olicity has the problem of "If he's happy, how can he fight crime?!" It seems. I mean I guess they keep vacillating between vigilante hero that might be a Batman analog or someone that might pass on the guns in favor of being a Punisher with arrows.

So...yeah.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oliver is not a computer guy and Felicity is not into archery, parkour, and fitness training.

It's not that Felicity isn't into fitness training, it's just that for her it's a spectator sport/


Set wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
She's a glass cannon. That can shatter glass, too. huhuhuhu

Yeah, she's a hand-to-hand scrapper, like pretty much everyone, with a ranged attack, again, like pretty much everyone. (Bow, guns, canary cry, no huge difference tactically, unless she starts shouting down buildings or something. They all put down people at range.)

Ragman did take it to another level, and was perhaps a little too big for Team Arrow, and may be better suited to tag along with Supergirl, the Flash or the Legends of Tomorrow.

Big thing about Canary is its not just a ranged attack, but an area effect. She can target a crowd so long as there are no friendlies.


Large, small.

All that matters is BC is still mid-tier hero in terms of who I'd see being able to fight say, Darkseid.


Remind me why Evelyn is working for this guy? She quit Team Arrow because Ollie was The Arrow, and she wouldn't work with a murderer.

I did like that part at the beginning where they lampshade the season finale build-up every year. This reminds me of something I'd thought about recently. What if, they didn't do the big crossover at mid-season? Instead just having mini-crossovers (like the Supergirl/Flash crossovers). Then everyone's season arcs either dovetail, with all the villains the four (five counting Black Lightning, six if you work in Mari/Modern Vixen) coming together to form the Injustice Society (or whatever) forcing the heroes to unite for an epic 4-5 night season finale.

A corollary to that. I'd like to see all the DCW shows follow the formula Agents of SHIELD did this season, with smaller arcs, instead of a single 22-24 episode one. Less padding the story out, in order to prevent premature revelations.


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Yeah, I have no idea what Evelyn's motivation is. I get she hates Ollie because he "left her parents to die" but I don't get where that turns into "I'll help advance the plans of a psychopath, harming all sorts of innocents, simply because he also hates Ollie."


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No idea but I keep hoping someone will get Evelyn to own up to the fact she made a HUGE mistake joining team Prometheus.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Please don't bring back Olicity. This season was better without it.

I <3 Olicity. They are just wayyyy too cute together.


See? Jason gets it.


The best thing they did with Felicity was shoot her. Sadly, it didn't take.


Bjorn,

That's not very nice!

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oliver is not a computer guy and Felicity is not into archery, parkour, and fitness training.
It's not that Felicity isn't into fitness training, it's just that for her it's a spectator sport/

I remember some hilarious little moment of Felicity talking to another character (might have even been during a Flash crossover) about watching Ollie do the salmon ladder... with a shudder. :)

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Also, I gotta say I was highly amused by the reunion tour of just about every living hero and villain from the Arrowverse by the end of this episode, including the big surprise at the end.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Please don't bring back Olicity. This season was better without it.

Honestly, theres a whole other half of the audience that disagrees. My wife didn't read too many comics as a kid but she's into the movies and shows. Olicity is one of her favorite aspects of the series.

I happen to like them together. I totally get why they work. They compliment each other very well and they're fun to watch.

It's also fun that now when Oliie growls, the team cowers, Diggle's like "Whatever Oliver" and Felicity's "Are you done?"

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