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Felicity and Diggle freaking EARNED that.


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^^ !@#$ straight^^

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If Arrow was Honest. Great stuff.


I'm pretty sure Barry would have stopped that by going back in time...


CapeCodRPGer wrote:
If Arrow was Honest. Great stuff.

That was good. The Flash one was also funny.

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Set wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
How dare you not trust us when we are doing untrustworthy stuff!!

On the one hand, I agree, it's just pointless drama at this point.

On the other hand, they aren't wrong about there being double standards. Felicity sneaks off to work behind the scenes with Helix and busts Cayden James out in the first place and it's all woopsy. Diggle lies about his injury and endangers people in the field because he can't shoot straight and it's 'we can fix this with science!'

One of the B-team has a problem and goes behind the team's back and it's 'We can't trust you! Get out!'

I don't think Rene has a leg to stand on, since Oliver did help him out with his custody issues, and he could have come to Oliver about the threat to his daughter, but Dinah's definitely got a reason to be pissed about the difference between how Diggle got treated and the way she's being treated.

But yeah, still, it's just foolishness. The team's been keeping secrets from each other for no good reason since the first season, and, as in Smallville, they'll continue doing so as long as it results in Three's Company-level misunderstandings and artificial 'drama' to drag storylines out over 20+ episodes.

It's called nepotism. The boss' wife and brother get a pass. Besides, they put up with Ollie's #@$ for as long as they did.


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Now come on mark. You just innately trust people you've been working with for 5 seasons as opposed to the guys you just met. I personally before I knew who it was didn't suspect Diggle or felicity in the least bit. I suspected dinah honestly but rene was a strong second. Now I feel terrific should have some good trust built up now he did after all give felicity back the ability to walk that should get you some cred.

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Well yeah. Ollie doesn't trust anyone who isn't "family" and even that takes a while.


That does seem to be a recurring theme.

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I'm kinda annoyed that they turned the blond perky liberal from the comics into a poor man's Batman, but it works.


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Yeah he is channeling batman so hard in this series. It would be cool to see the actual batman show up and have someone finally knock him down a peg. Oh you can do like 200 of those pull-up hops things? but can you do them underwater while holding your breath with 200lb weights strapped to your legs?

HOW?

CAUSE I'M BATMAN!


Justin Hartley's Ollie was radically different from Stephen's but the Season 11 comic allowed him to meet Batman. And it was everything you would have hoped for. Maybe someday Bruce and Diana will get to make TV appearances.

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It would be awesome to get Batman go into the arrow cave, kick all their asses and say something along the lines of "Amateurs, let me teach you"

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When the show started they were told the one thing they couldn't touch was Batman....so they made their own.

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Hama wrote:
It would be awesome to get Batman go into the arrow cave, kick all their asses and say something along the lines of "Amateurs, let me teach you"

That would be a great way to end the show so the CW can introduce the Batman live action show replacing it in the next season. LOL

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I would still have Ollie get in for crossovers

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Given the mess the DC movie universe has been lately, with the exception of WW, they should forgo their live action movies in favor of animated movies and let their television properties have access to the Big Guns.


I'm with Marik, they just need to reboot the Arrowverse into the DCWU, get the Trinity in and start from there.


Set wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
How dare you not trust us when we are doing untrustworthy stuff!!

On the one hand, I agree, it's just pointless drama at this point.

On the other hand, they aren't wrong about there being double standards. Felicity sneaks off to work behind the scenes with Helix and busts Cayden James out in the first place and it's all woopsy. Diggle lies about his injury and endangers people in the field because he can't shoot straight and it's 'we can fix this with science!'

One of the B-team has a problem and goes behind the team's back and it's 'We can't trust you! Get out!'

I don't think Rene has a leg to stand on, since Oliver did help him out with his custody issues, and he could have come to Oliver about the threat to his daughter, but Dinah's definitely got a reason to be pissed about the difference between how Diggle got treated and the way she's being treated.

But yeah, still, it's just foolishness. The team's been keeping secrets from each other for no good reason since the first season, and, as in Smallville, they'll continue doing so as long as it results in Three's Company-level misunderstandings and artificial 'drama' to drag storylines out over 20+ episodes.

Honestly, I can't back the B-team at all. It wasn't even a case of 'one of them went behind our back... get out!' It was a case of 'Someone revealed my identity and I don't want to accuse any of our close friends until I find some actual evidence." To which the B-team completely said "I can't believe you would suspect one of us... We were totally 2/3 innocent! We quit!!!"

Frankly I thought it would be Terrific. 1) He was always a terrible superhero... 2) Retiring him may save his marriage. He was always the least happy about anything involving the masks... and would be quite happy with his startup company with felicity if it all ended.

But yeah, they all had motives and watching them closely to see who was suspicious... That's not a breach of trust at all. That's acting responsibly to AVOID accusing friends unjustly.


Scene: Team Arrow is in the Arrowcave.
Ollie: Cayden James knows what we are doing every step, and the FBI knows my secret identity. I think we have a traitor on the team-
Rene: Whoa there hoss. You got any proof to back that up?
Ollie: No, I thought that I'd tell you all and not keep any sec-
Rene: so you are just accusing us without any evidence whatsoever. I don't need this. I'm outta here.
Dinah and Curtis: We quit too.

Lose-Lose situation


In other news, Arrow needs to be retcon.


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I'm shocked this hacking terrorism attack did not include purely mechanical devices without electronic components being remotely controlled. That's about the only way that story element could have been more badly written.

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Someone has unlimited control of the internet? That doesn't just affect Star City, it affects the entire planet. That means Feds involved.

The city is cut off? Feds could halo drop whoever they need. They could yank Barry Allen out of prison and have him there really quick.

Moving on.
He controls air traffic control? Pull the plug. Ground the planes - somewhere else since James only controls the Star City LAN apparently. And pull the plug. He controls street lights? Not without electricity he doesn't.

If he controls TEH INTERWEBS he can take ALL TEH MONEY$$ So the only reason I can conceive of the blackmail demand is Ollie must capitulate and look bad. Or Ollie must live with not capitulating and letting people get hurt. Except that James can keep doing this. And he has a big bomb. So giving him a bunch of electrons that say he can Star City's money is pointless. See the preview for next week.

James shut down all communications - except for Felicity's cel? That was sure nice of him.

The reason given? Happened after James started all this. So why did he start doing it in the first place?
Assuming the evidence on a USB from Corto Maltese is not a fake out: Deathstroke's kid is involved.

Edit: I was going to praise some good character moments. And most were.
And then there is this predictable gem. The children are keeping secrets from daddy out of spite. (They ran away but are still part of the family - or they would have bothered to come up with a name of their own. Outsiders was pretty cool, but BL and Katana have dibs). They don't want to tell daddy about the bad guy who is really and truly for realzies on our side, because he killed whatshisname. I mean whatshisname was so integral to the plan, he brought... umm, stuff.
So they are gonna get strung along, and string Ollie along. And then Vig is gonna say "fooled you. I lie for a living."


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Can someone please please PLEASE punch rene in the head. I am so tired of him. His smart ass you didn't trust us Hoss attitude when he was the freakin traitor and has been literally the worst since he was introduced. The only time I liked him was when he was working with Quentin.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Can someone please please PLEASE punch rene in the head. I am so tired of him. His smart ass you didn't trust us Hoss attitude when he was the freakin traitor and has been literally the worst since he was introduced. The only time I liked him was when he was working with Quentin.

Yeah... agree with all of this. I've pretty much hated 'wild dog' since he first showed up... and the only good stuff is his interaction with Quentin.

Well said!

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He's a dick, and serves as an example that certain personality types are very much not cut our for this work. He's the Arrowverse's Jason Todd.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
He's a dick, and serves as an example that certain personality types are very much not cut our for this work. He's the Arrowverse's Jason Todd.

As long as William doesn't get taken by the League of Assassins and return the following season as Damien...


Damon Griffin wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
He's a dick, and serves as an example that certain personality types are very much not cut our for this work. He's the Arrowverse's Jason Todd.
As long as William doesn't get taken by the League of Assassins and return the following season as Damien...

Hold on the first part is good let me just alter the part after And: and removes his memory from every characters mind.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
He's a dick, and serves as an example that certain personality types are very much not cut our for this work. He's the Arrowverse's Jason Todd.

As long as we get to vote on blowing him up.


I mean felicity be doing the oracle thing all the time too. She was even in a wheel chair for awhile. Oh and canary whom was one of olivers love interests is walking around in black leather with a animal themed name. I'm Oliver Queen and I really really want to be Batman.

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I have not been watching last couple of episodes. Do they explain how Rene will have the resources to be the mastermind behind all of it?

I can see his why the show runners would have Rene be the main bad guy. I don't agree with it, considering the characters history with the team, working right in city hall, they helped him get his daughter back.

But I don't see how someone like that from the street will have the money and resources to do it all of a sudden.


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... You need to catch up you have greatly mistaken what we were talking about.


So, half deaf, no closed captions. Can someone tell me what Black Siren is saying in that last scene? I caught "2&1/2 years" and "Laurel Lance".

Sovereign Court

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Ok, so team 2 are complete morons.


This is news?


GreenDragon1133 wrote:
So, half deaf, no closed captions. Can someone tell me what Black Siren is saying in that last scene? I caught "2&1/2 years" and "Laurel Lance".

Yeah, I didn't get all that, either. Something about having been abducted...?

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She said something like "I've been abducted, for about 2 years, my name is Laurel Lance." So after getting lots of info about Earth-1 Lauren from Quentin, she's building the case that she's her, and been abducted, not killed as the black canary. DNA will prove she's who she is. Not sure how that's going to play out with team 2 trying to get her jailed for being Black Siren, but seems to me that all that's needed is to get her to ARGUS who is more than okay accepting multiple earth's. Let them keep her locked up. Short term should hold for a few episodes though I'd guess.


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DNA might. Unless she has one of those Earth-2 blood types not found on Earth-1, like Wells.

Oh, and my favorite from Team T was "haven't you punished Rene enough?"
Ollie mildly chastised him, and had spied on them - with cause. Any actual punishment was forestalled when they quit Team Arrow.

But Ollie went too far, when he stopped Rene from killing him with an axe; but caused Rene to reopen an old wound. So Ollie should just have allowed Rene to kill him, then team T would be just fine with Team Arrow?

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Team T is definitely a bunch of morons.


I prefer to think of them as "Team that needs better leadership and brains" Which is SAD to say when you have Mister Terrific on your team.

But I guess this Arrowverse Mister Terrific, and not quite comic book awesome Mister Terrific.


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Maybe team Mr.T is missing a van and a fourth memmber


JoelF847 wrote:
She said something like "I've been abducted, for about 2 years, my name is Laurel Lance." So after getting lots of info about Earth-1 Lauren from Quentin, she's building the case that she's her, and been abducted, not killed as the black canary. DNA will prove she's who she is. Not sure how that's going to play out with team 2 trying to get her jailed for being Black Siren, but seems to me that all that's needed is to get her to ARGUS who is more than okay accepting multiple earth's. Let them keep her locked up. Short term should hold for a few episodes though I'd guess.

Thanks for the answer btw.


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Vid,

As long as it's not mad dog Murdock, we're okay then with adding a new one.


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Wait, the team consists of Mr. T and Mad Dog. So is Dinah "Hannibal", "Face", or the reporter that lasts about a season before the guys get her to quit?

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Wait, the team consists of Mr. T and Mad Dog. So is Dinah "Hannibal", "Face", or the reporter that lasts about a season before the guys get her to quit?

Face was likable, even if sometimes in an insincere way. I'm not sure anyone on Team Arrow is going for 'likable.'

Oliver tries for Hannibal, but his plans never seem to come together.

I feel like Team Arrow is closer to the castaways from Gilligan's Island than the A-Team. :)


Well certainly it feels like Mister Terrific is more like the Professor and his coconut inventions...


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Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
a tale of a super trope,
that started from a traitor called rene,
aboard this dramatic show.

The leader was a mighty archery' man,
the partner brave and sure,
five vigilantes set out that season,
Unfortunately to make a mess,
To make a mess.

Yeah I know it doesn't rhyme I threw it together in like 2 minutes.


But can Felicity make a good coconut cream pie?


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But can Felicity make a good coconut cream pie?

bad llama bad lama... my mind went to a weird place.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:
But can Felicity make a good coconut cream pie?
bad llama bad lama... my mind went to a weird place.

Yeah, I worried about that right after I posted it.


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Best part of this season. Rene getting kicked in the chest so hard he bounces off a tree.

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