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Ollie's written as is because they couldn't ever have Batman. They looked at the truckload of similarities and basically cast Ollie in the role of the Arrowverse's Batman.

It really came into play in the crossover with his attitude toward Supergirl until the end.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Greenie,

Batfleck isn't my favorite version...

But I do agree they need to stop writing Green Arrow as Batman.

I love Ben Affleck, and Henry Cavill is a great actor. But the DCCU stinks.

Hence why I hope someday, there will be a good Wonder Woman movie. (But that rant would take us waaay off topic.)


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Greenie,

Batfleck isn't my favorite version...

But I do agree they need to stop writing Green Arrow as Batman.

I love Ben Affleck, and Henry Cavill is a great actor. But the DCCU stinks.

Hence why I hope someday, there will be a good Wonder Woman movie. (But that rant would take us waaay off topic.)

I've heard nothing but good reviews for the last one haven't seen it yet but I have plans.


You can't build a strong house on a foundation of feces. No matter how good the movie is it builds on those others. Plus, I loathe and detest the New 52 "Wonder Woman" who is just another Zeus kid and thinks she needs a sword. (But again I digress...)


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You let her use a sword! I dig the sword!

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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Then don't watch it. Simple.


GreenDragon1133 wrote:
You can't build a strong house on a foundation of feces. No matter how good the movie is it builds on those others. Plus, I loathe and detest the New 52 "Wonder Woman" who is just another Zeus kid and thinks she needs a sword. (But again I digress...)

Agree with this... I hate the sword and shield thing. It makes her less super-hero and more Xena clone. It used to be reserved for massive things like Kingdom Come and other 'elseworlds' but it bled over to the regular universe.

At least the previews show some solid Lasso action so I have hope. I'll be seeing it, but after everything else they've done with DCEU I don't have high expectations.


All I know is Wonder Woman looks like a solid movie. While there might be some Nu-52 stuff I might not like, I'm not sure it's enough to make me want to see the DCCU/DCEU burnt down. Yet.

Especially since I think Gal is probably the best Wonder Woman since Linda Carter.

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There was no other wonder woman since linda carter


I thought there was Hama....

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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phantom1592 wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:
You can't build a strong house on a foundation of feces. No matter how good the movie is it builds on those others. Plus, I loathe and detest the New 52 "Wonder Woman" who is just another Zeus kid and thinks she needs a sword. (But again I digress...)

Agree with this... I hate the sword and shield thing. It makes her less super-hero and more Xena clone. It used to be reserved for massive things like Kingdom Come and other 'elseworlds' but it bled over to the regular universe.

At least the previews show some solid Lasso action so I have hope. I'll be seeing it, but after everything else they've done with DCEU I don't have high expectations.

She's a legendary greek warrior first, superhero second. The use of a sword and shield makes sense. And Xena is definitely WW inspired, not the other way around.

The warrior background not only makes sense but differentiated her from just being female Superman. Diana doesn't consider herself a superhero. She's an Amazon first, which means warrior, diplomat, champion.

The willingness to use weapons and her understanding of the term War and all it entails, and by extension the actual meaning of Peace, is one of her defining characteristics.

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Plus it is absolutely ridiculous that she would use only the lasso. Absolutely ridiculous.


She is as strong as Superman. She can rip anything on Earth apart with her bare hands. What does she need a sword for?

Mythical Amazons were legendary Greek Warriors. William Moulton Marston's evolved somewhat in the intervening 5000 years. Not unlike how the Greek civilization evolved - into ours.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

Not in her backstory as has developed. Greek warrior is at the core of her development.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

She is as strong as Superman. She can rip anything on Earth apart with her bare hands. What does she need a sword for?

Mythical Amazons were legendary Greek Warriors. William Moulton Marston's evolved somewhat in the intervening 5000 years. Not unlike how the Greek civilization evolved - into ours.

Swords are way cool


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Swords are very cool. I mean that's why we don't see more people with axes.


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I prefer my Superheroes to be better than we are. To by a symbol of hope; of what we should aspire to be. I prefer a character who's core mission statement is to strive for peace. To teach us to love or fellow men, regardless of nation, race, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc. Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal) goes against that core mission statement.

The other train of thought is: Green arrow should actually use lethal arrows. Batman should carry assault weapons. And Superman should just lobotomize criminals. That way leads to protagonists who are no better than us, who happen to have special powers.


your definitely a DC then.


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal)

Unless said weapon is crafted by a god, really strong, and powerful enough to cut Superman (as is the case in at least one continuity where WW used a sword).

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

I prefer my Superheroes to be better than we are. To by a symbol of hope; of what we should aspire to be. I prefer a character who's core mission statement is to strive for peace. To teach us to love or fellow men, regardless of nation, race, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc. Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal) goes against that core mission statement.

The other train of thought is: Green arrow should actually use lethal arrows. Batman should carry assault weapons. And Superman should just lobotomize criminals. That way leads to protagonists who are no better than us, who happen to have special powers.

Have you actually read Green Arrow? Especially the Mike Grell run. He's killed and maimed a lot of people with real arrows. Not everything is Saturday morning cartoons.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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He sword is actually referred to as The Godslayer.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal)
Unless said weapon is crafted by a god, really strong, and powerful enough to cut Superman (as is the case in at least one continuity where WW used a sword).

Most of them. It's supposed to be one of Hephaestus' greatest works.


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Plus we all know superman has dr 40/magic right?


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal)
Unless said weapon is crafted by a god, really strong, and powerful enough to cut Superman (as is the case in at least one continuity where WW used a sword).

Don't forget the time Superman got hit by Mjolnir and then used that plus Cap's shield! ;)


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

She is as strong as Superman. She can rip anything on Earth apart with her bare hands. What does she need a sword for?

Mythical Amazons were legendary Greek Warriors. William Moulton Marston's evolved somewhat in the intervening 5000 years. Not unlike how the Greek civilization evolved - into ours.

Agreed. They have their roots in mythology, but they were also from a perfect 'paradise'. The idea was that they had moved beyond war and violence and saw that as the sins of 'man's world'. Their science was advanced to the point of invisible planes and purple rays of healing. Still using swords and shields would be like Batman using a sharp rock and a club based on what his society used 5,000 year ago...

Her mission in Man's World was to show them a better way. That falls so far apart when her first instinct is to grab a super sword and slice apart her enemies. It's scuttling the concept of the character for 'what looks Kool!!' It makes for an interesting visual... and works as something special during the elseworld/Kingdom Come/Flashpoint concepts... but not a fan of it as her standard gear.

that's not even factoring in her insane super power levels....

Hoping to see the movie this weekend, but really not a fan of 'modern' wonder woman.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal)
Unless said weapon is crafted by a god, really strong, and powerful enough to cut Superman (as is the case in at least one continuity where WW used a sword).
Don't forget the time Superman got hit by Mjolnir and then used that plus Cap's shield! ;)

Still one of my all time favorite pictures ever. One of the most epic things ever!


Well now we got a clear idea WHEN season six will start. I still wonder...who isn't dead. I mean besides the obvious.


So I rewound multiple times to make out a line that was clearly intended to be witty etc.
Black Siren: Nice costume. [LOUD MUSIC] ...fishnets.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:

I prefer my Superheroes to be better than we are. To by a symbol of hope; of what we should aspire to be. I prefer a character who's core mission statement is to strive for peace. To teach us to love or fellow men, regardless of nation, race, religion, gender, sexual preference, etc. Carrying a lethal weapon (that is pointless due to your bare hands being tougher than any natural metal) goes against that core mission statement.

The other train of thought is: Green arrow should actually use lethal arrows. Batman should carry assault weapons. And Superman should just lobotomize criminals. That way leads to protagonists who are no better than us, who happen to have special powers.

Have you actually read Green Arrow? Especially the Mike Grell run. He's killed and maimed a lot of people with real arrows. Not everything is Saturday morning cartoons.

And about Superman.... everybody can be pushed too far.


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

So I rewound multiple times to make out a line that was clearly intended to be witty etc.

Black Siren: Nice costume. [LOUD MUSIC] ...fishnets.

"I would have gone with Fishnets"


Anyways, so apparently everyone we expected to live, is alive. (Well I mean Thea's in a coma but eh...)

Dark Archive

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Anyways, so apparently everyone we expected to live, is alive. (Well I mean Thea's in a coma but eh...)

Yup, it was a 'Dynasty wedding' massacre, not a 'Red Wedding' massacre.


phantom1592 wrote:
GreenDragon1133 wrote:

So I rewound multiple times to make out a line that was clearly intended to be witty etc.

Black Siren: Nice costume. [LOUD MUSIC] ...fishnets.
"I would have gone with Fishnets"

Thanks.


Set,

I think Red Wedding massacres are like a generational thing.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32, 2011 Top 16

It's not clear if Black Siren actually did die on the island, and was brought back...we don't know who rescued her that she's working for, but with Talia al-Ghul involved, lazarus pit or something isn't hard to believe.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

Except you tend to come out of the Lazarus pit bat$#!+ crazy for a while


They showed her drop, the mysterious benefactor found her where she fell, then she woke up. Definitely not a Lazarus Pit situation.

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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Except you tend to come out of the Lazarus pit bat$#!+ crazy for a while

There was a 6 month time jump, crazy could have gotten under control.

And we saw her shot and drop. Then get up when mystery man reached a hand down. We don't know her status inbetween or what he did to fix her or not.


I'm with Greenie, this isn't a Lazarus pit thing. More like "healing magic" thing.


So wait has the next season started or are you guys reminiscing? Cause I haven't been able to find a new episode of arrow yet.

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

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It premiered Thursday.


Yeah Vid, new seasons of ALL the CW Arrowverse shows started last week.

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HOOOOLY S**T

Spoiler:
OLIVER MENTIONS BRUCE WAYNE OUTRIGHT!!!!!! Hopefully we get a Batman cameo sometimes


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Have you heard about the response from the showrunners of a certain FOX series?

Spoiler:
The Gotham execs tweeted (guessing to Stephen Amell): Nope, last we checked, Bruce was still in Gotham.

I notice Kord Industries in the synopsis for next week also.

BTW, Mad Dog's creator is not a fan of the new look. "in name only" was in the interview. But his comment on the design made me realize. Aside from the eyepiece, we have never had Deadshot's comic costume live action - until now.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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All they really need is to assign Gotham an Earth # and it's all in.

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PLease no. That show should not come near of the Arrowverse.


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Well distance isn't a factor so much as vibrational frequency. In my mind, Gotham is like Earth-20 in multiverse-8.


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Hama wrote:
PLease no. That show should not come near of the Arrowverse.

I don't hate Gotham... Some times I like it a lot, some times... not. However I agree that Gotham is far and away it's own thing and has nothing to do with the DC multiverse. I have zero interest in seeing Batman jr meeting Supergirl and Flash... They need their OWN Batman. Or maybe even just their own Bruce Wayne to make a cameo without the cowl.


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I'll settle for Val Kilmer showing up as Thomas Wayne. ;)


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I'm trying to wrap my head around why

Spoiler:
it's too dangerous for Ollie to be Green Arrow now that he's a father, but it's okay for John to do it even though he's also a father.

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