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The reason I ask is the description of the Qinggong Archetype says, "...and a few are gifted these abilities by a dying qinggong master." It doesn't stipulate that the person "gifted" these abilities have to be lawful.
I mean there are plenty of scenarios I can come up with where the qinggong master leaves his abilities to "roguish young man/woman who has displayed good moral values and honor".
Thoughts?
Presumably, you could take Martial Artist along with Qinggong Monk in order to waive the alignment requirement. The Qinggong powers aren't going to be terribly useful without a ki pool, of course. Though, I suppose you could get at least a few points by taking a couple of levels in Ninja.
Nope, can't take martial artist and Qinggong as far as I can tell...Ninja...that's another thread all together...why does the ninja get a ki pool (because there would have been outrage?) when he is a Rogue alternate class and not a Monk alternate...and yes, I know a Rogue can get ki pool as a Rogue Trick...it shouldn't be a class feature...but an optional one...
Nope, can't take martial artist and Qinggong as far as I can tell...Ninja...that's another thread all together...why does the ninja get a ki pool (because there would have been outrage?) when he is a Rogue alternate class and not a Monk alternate...and yes, I know a Rogue can get ki pool as a Rogue Trick...it shouldn't be a class feature...but an optional one...I don't see why you couldn't. Martial Artist still gets High Jump, Quivering Palm and (oddly) Abundant Step that he can swap for qinggong powers. You just gotta manage to get a ki pool from somewhere else in order to use them.
I mean, it's not a good option, but it does seem like it's possible.
There Ki Pool is also based off Charisma too, so you have to be even more careful with your ability scores. You'd also need to take two levels...
To me, it doesn't make sense to 'give' something to an arch-type that they can't use unless they take another class, or arch-type, to get something else to utilize it.
Example; the monk moves that require ki and an arch-type of monk that gets no ki...sounds silly to me. As a GM I would have to rule (house rule) if you get the moves you get the pool (ki). If it seems a little overpowered then I would apply a cost of 1 feat (or more depending on the level of 'over power').
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To me, it doesn't make sense to 'give' something to an arch-type that they can't use unless they take another class, or arch-type, to get something else to utilize it.
Example; the monk moves that require ki and an arch-type of monk that gets no ki...sounds silly to me. As a GM I would have to rule (house rule) if you get the moves you get the pool (ki). If it seems a little overpowered then I would apply a cost of 1 feat (or more depending on the level of 'over power').
Maybe just house rule that you can take the Extra Ki feat with a prereq of monk level 1 instead of ki pool class feature.
Sounds good, but I don't know it it would be worth it for just 2 points; especially in the higher levels.
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Sounds good, but I don't know it it would be worth it for just 2 points; especially in the higher levels.
Could always keep taking the feat every other level. It's not very good, but that may be the price of wanting to do something so odd. Of course with sufficient reasoning a GM may just remove the alignment restriction on monks. Regardless, all of this belongs in the homebrew forums and not rules. The way the rules are written you'd have to either be lawful or get a ki pool from another source (such as ninja).
Sounds good, but I don't know it it would be worth it for just 2 points; especially in the higher levels.Could always keep taking the feat every other level. It's not very good, but that may be the price of wanting to do something so odd. Of course with sufficient reasoning a GM may just remove the alignment restriction on monks. Regardless, all of this belongs in the homebrew forums and not rules. The way the rules are written you'd have to either be lawful or get a ki pool from another source (such as ninja).
We are discussing the rules and how it can or cannot be done within the rules of the game...
Why is it odd?
Because ninjas are associated with martial arts almost as much as what we think of when we think of monks? Besides, there's more to martial arts than just Kung Fu, plenty of styles use weapons, and a lot of them were designed to be used with weapons.
Anyway, I think Riuken has it right. Anyway, regardless of how you come to it, becoming a monk isn't an immediate change. The class is in the "trained" age category, after all.
I hate making star wars references, but the dying master could have been Yoda. Luke goes to find him hoping to be taught a better way to fight, Yoda instead teaches him some hokey religion while effortlessly performing feats Luke cannot. Luke tries to do it on his own until he realizes that the hokey religion is what lets Yoda do it, perhaps because it's a focus, or magic or something. Luke embraces the religion whole hog, and then becomes a lawful level one Qiggong Monk.
I suppose what we are saying, Fiendish Dr Wu, is there is no way in the 'rules' for a monk-type with no class ki pool to attain it outside of gaining a level in a class that does have ki. It would have to be through house rules to some degree.
Because ninjas are associated with martial arts almost as much as what we think of when we think of monks? Besides, there's more to martial arts than just Kung Fu, plenty of styles use weapons, and a lot of them were designed to be used with weapons.
Anyway, I think Riuken has it right. Anyway, regardless of how you come to it, becoming a monk isn't an immediate change. The class is in the "trained" age category, after all.
I hate making star wars references, but the dying master could have been Yoda. Luke goes to find him hoping to be taught a better way to fight, Yoda instead teaches him some hokey religion while effortlessly performing feats Luke cannot. Luke tries to do it on his own until he realizes that the hokey religion is what lets Yoda do it, perhaps because it's a focus, or magic or something. Luke embraces the religion whole hog, and then becomes a lawful level one Qiggong Monk.
True about ninjas...yes, plenty of styles use weapons...which is another thread...monks don't get access to a lot of the weapons they should if based solely on Shaolin Monks...they don't even get straight sword(Wu Dang)or broadsword(Dao) as part of their list...come on, son!
Yes, Riuken makes good points...but according to the archetype description it says they are "gifted", not trained, with the abilities...could that not also be saying an "innate" understanding of how to use them...it happens in movies and books...
Granted, but a rogue can gain a ki pool by just selecting it as a Rogue Talent...seriously?
I suppose what we are saying, Fiendish Dr Wu, is there is no way in the 'rules' for a monk-type with no class ki pool to attain it outside of gaining a level in a class that does have ki. It would have to be through house rules to some degree.
I get that...i like the discussion though and want to see what everyone else thinks... :-)
The Enlightened Warrior trait will allow you to be neutral, or neutral good, and take levels in monk.
It is in the Blood of Angel book, and if you are not Aasimar, you will need the Adopted trait.
Interesting...thnx!
Didn't see that one coming...lol
I guess there is a way!