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I've searched these forums in an attempt to find guidelines for a Bonded Object, the posts I have found often seem incomplete, and some even contradict each other. Note that some of these may indeed be general rules, but I am asking about in pathfinder society in specific.
Without further ado, here are my questions.
1) When upgrading a bonded object, does the character pay cost or full price? My initial assumption here was that they paid cost, but I've seen posts saying that they only pay cost for the first time they enhance it.
2) If I upgrade my bonded object to a named item, am I allowed to enchant it further? My assumption here would be no, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
3) Do I need to meet the fame requirement for the total price of my bonded object in order to upgrade the item? This seems to be something I find where posts contradict each others.
4) The bonded object rules say that the starting bonded object can only be an amulet, ring, weapon, staff or wand however the rules also state that you can designate an existing magic item as his bonded item, when doing this is the character still restricted to the same slots as a character who just got their bonded object or can they make another item such as Armor or a helmet into their bonded object? I have not found any guidelines to this at all, aside from the fact that the Hellknight Signifier (which is not yet PFS legal) can make their mask a bonded item.
5) Would a Gnome with the Master Tinker alternate racial trait be considered proficient with a bonded object that they themselves have upgraded? My assumption here is yes as they did some crafting towards the weapon.
Those are all of the questions I can think of for now, thanks in advance for any answers or discussions on any of my questions and feel free to add your own if you have them, bonded objects don't seem very clear to me in PFS honestly (and I can't be the only one).
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1) When upgrading a bonded object, does the character pay cost or full price? My initial assumption here was that they paid cost, but I've seen posts saying that they only pay cost for the first time they enhance it.Your first upgrade is at cost, after that it's the normal rules for upgrading items in PFS.
2) If I upgrade my bonded object to a named item, am I allowed to enchant it further? My assumption here would be no, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
FAQ on upgrading named magic items
Named magic items cannot be upgraded. You can upgrade to a named item, but not from one, and all iterations of the item along the way must be legal, non-custom items.3) Do I need to meet the fame requirement for the total price of my bonded object in order to upgrade the item? This seems to be something I find where posts contradict each others.
Your Fame score determines item access, not how much money you can spend at once. It doesn't matter whether you're pseudo-crafting, upgrading, or buying outright - your Fame has to allow the final, total price of the item if you intend to own it.
4) The bonded object rules say that the starting bonded object can only be an amulet, ring, weapon, staff or wand however the rules also state that you can designate an existing magic item as his bonded item, when doing this is the character still restricted to the same slots as a character who just got their bonded object or can they make another item such as Armor or a helmet into their bonded object? I have not found any guidelines to this at all, aside from the fact that the Hellknight Signifier (which is not yet PFS legal) can make their mask a bonded item.
You've misread the Core rules on bonded items. The CRB states that your bonded item must be one of those categories, not just that your starting item must be.
5) Would a Gnome with the Master Tinker alternate racial trait be considered proficient with a bonded object that they themselves have upgraded? My assumption here is yes as they did some crafting towards the weapon.
I don't know if the PFS pseudo-crafting still counts as crafting, since it doesn't actually use the Craft skill.
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1) When upgrading a bonded object, does the character pay cost or full price? My initial assumption here was that they paid cost, but I've seen posts saying that they only pay cost for the first time they enhance it.Your first upgrade is at cost, after that it's the normal rules for upgrading items in PFS.
This sure makes bonded objects a lot less useful then they would be otherwise, especially if they cease to be a magical item when they are no longer your bonded item and if cannot sell your bonded object.
4) The bonded object rules say that the starting bonded object can only be an amulet, ring, weapon, staff or wand however the rules also state that you can designate an existing magic item as his bonded item, when doing this is the character still restricted to the same slots as a character who just got their bonded object or can they make another item such as Armor or a helmet into their bonded object? I have not found any guidelines to this at all, aside from the fact that the Hellknight Signifier (which is not yet PFS legal) can make their mask a bonded item.You've misread the Core rules on bonded items. The CRB states that your bonded item must be one of those categories, not just that your starting item must be.
Indeed I did misread, apparently only hellknight signifier get to break this rule.
5) Would a Gnome with the Master Tinker alternate racial trait be considered proficient with a bonded object that they themselves have upgraded? My assumption here is yes as they did some crafting towards the weapon.I don't know if the PFS pseudo-crafting still counts as crafting, since it doesn't actually use the Craft skill.
It does use the craft skill if you have Master Craftsman.
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I can't find Master Craftsman. Can you post the exact text?
Here you go.
Master Craftsman
Your superior crafting skills allow you to create simple magic items.
Prerequisites: 5 ranks in any Craft or Profession skill.
Benefit: Choose one Craft or Profession skill in which you possess at least 5 ranks. You receive a +2 bonus on your chosen Craft or Profession skill. Ranks in your chosen skill count as your caster level for the purposes of qualifying for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor and Craft Wondrous Item feats. You can create magic items using these feats, substituting your ranks in the chosen skill for your total caster level. You must use the chosen skill for the check to create the item. The DC to create the item still increases for any necessary spell requirements (see the magic item creation rules in Magic Items). You cannot use this feat to create any spell-trigger or spell-activation item.
Normal: Only spellcasters can qualify for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor and Craft Wondrous Item feats.
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Oh, whoops, I meant Master Tinker.
Also in the PRD.
Master Tinker: Gnomes experiment with all manner of mechanical devices. Gnomes with this racial trait gain a +1 bonus on Disable Device and Knowledge (engineering) checks. They are treated as proficient with any weapon they have personally crafted. This racial trait replaces the defensive training and hatred racial traits.
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This sure makes bonded objects a lot less useful then they would be otherwise, especially if they cease to be a magical item when they are no longer your bonded item and if cannot sell your bonded object.Consider it an incentive to pick a choice and stick with it.
Or to horde your money and do all the upgrades you will ever need at once if you are using a weapon. Of course the problem is I'm only thinking here in terms of weapons, for an amulet or a ring you can afford to wait awhile before making the item magical, and with a wand it becomes non-magical after using the last charge so you get to pay half cost again.
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I believe the answer would be 'no' as you did not personally craft the item, as crafting isnt legal, and upgrading and crafting arent necessarily the same thing, even if you can upgrade it yourself, which I'm not entirely sure you can do that either.
I'd love to be wrong, though. :/
Edit: ninja'ed by a small green dragon-thing.
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3) Do I need to meet the fame requirement for the total price of my bonded object in order to upgrade the item? This seems to be something I find where posts contradict each others.Your Fame score determines item access, not how much money you can spend at once. It doesn't matter whether you're pseudo-crafting, upgrading, or buying outright - your Fame has to allow the final, total price of the item if you intend to own it.
Not that what he says matters anymore but Joshua Frost said otherwise here
According to him in this special case you need Fame equal to the total Price.
I can't find more current clarification one way or the other, do you happen to have a source?
Edit: Wheee
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Your first upgrade is at cost, after that it's the normal rules for upgrading items in PFS.This sure makes bonded objects a lot less useful then they would be otherwise, especially if they cease to be a magical item when they are no longer your bonded item and if cannot sell your bonded object.
Please note that Mark Moreland said in February:
Note that the FAQ is being adjusted to remove the restriction on enhancing bonded items to include all upgrades, as limiting it to a single upgrade affects the scaling of a class feature for the wizard class (or other caster with a bonded item).
... but when I asked if we could treat that as a messageboard clarification until the FAQ is updated, he declined to answer. I would assume yes, because he said it. But some would probably argue no.