The meaning of "must"


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Scroll of Fabricate is a worthy investment.

How would you pay its material component cost?

Have a scroll of fabricate (bed), a scroll of fabricate (door), and a scroll of fabricate (boat)?

Grand Lodge

You would provide it at the time of casting.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Are you suggesting that as a house rule? Because RAW states quite clearly, you pay all material component costs when you make the scroll.

Game developers have clarified that this is the case even for spells with variable component costs (they said to assume the lowest possible value unless the crafter paid otherwise).

Grand Lodge

That's the only way the scroll really works.

You can always pay for spellcasting services, and have some one else cast it.


BBT: You could make a scroll of fabricate for a specific material cost and then anything under that cost works.

Any spell with a variable material component cost makes for weird spell trigger/completion items.

Another example: create undead.

- Gauss


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Dr. Guns-For-Hands wrote:

I don't buy cost and time as limiting factors. In game, a lvl 1 wizard can spend 100,000 gold if he is given 100,000 gold. No one will stop him til he buys out the store. With time, if he is given one hundred days, he can craft all one hundred days (probably scrolls and potions, but there you go). But a level 1 wizard can never cast a fireball from his own spellbook. No amount of money, time, or skill DC can make this happen. He has to wait until he's a lvl 5 wizard.

I'm the only one who thinks there is something a little odd about interpreting the rules so a lvl 7 wizard can make a Ring of Three Wishes? He can duplicate Wish, matching the power of a 17th level caster, while being ten levels lower than he should?

No red flags raised at all that there is a misinterpretation about the crafting rules? Lvl 7 Wish?

I'm a jazz musician, and to me, jazz works well as an analogy for magic.

I couldn't play Coltrane's Giant Steps solo, or anything comparable, off the cuff at my regular gig, in real time. But given my underlying knowledge of the art and science of music, given enough time and the right equipment, I could recreate my own recording of it in the studio. My skill isn't equal to the task in the moment and under pressure, but that doesn't mean I can't analyse, understand, and recreate it in another situation.

So no, I don't think it's odd at all that a spellcaster can duplicate things in the lab that they can't do in six seconds while hill giant is trying to kill them and all of their friends.

Edit: Oh, and cash. I can't afford a studio. But I could hire one, and a sound engineer, to assist me, which would definitely lower my DC for recording said solo :)


Nice analogy littlehewy!

- Gauss


Having said that, I yearn for the days when high-level musicians could just cast their musical spells as standard actions - these days there are far too many people with the Craft Musical Hit feat...


ROFLMAO. Yes, music today is pretty much produced by a musical assembly line. My favorite musical era is classic rock (70s mostly with some 50s, 60s and 80s).

- Gauss


Don't get this jazz dude started!

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