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Forestry Division to be fined $559K over Hotshots' deaths: Commission finds agency put protection of property ahead of safety

This is part of a much larger story about the awful mismanagement of wildlands, but much like Deepwater Horizon it puts a human face on the huge price of failed policy and execution.


thejeff wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Somali woman who reported rape sentenced

Nineteen-year-old will be confined to home for six months and journalists who reported the story are to go to jail.

Somalia = libertarian/anarchist paradise; I think not. This looks mighty statist to me.

I think Somalia's become less of a libertarian/anarchist paradise since that meme took hold.

That's seems like a fair statement, but while Somalia is certainly a failed state I'm not sure it was ever fair to call it stateless.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Somali woman who reported rape sentenced

Nineteen-year-old will be confined to home for six months and journalists who reported the story are to go to jail.

Somalia = libertarian/anarchist paradise; I think not. This looks mighty statist to me.

I think Somalia's become less of a libertarian/anarchist paradise since that meme took hold.
That's seems like a fair statement, but while Somalia is certainly a failed state I'm not sure it was ever fair to call it stateless.

Well, it was pretty damn close to having no effective government. Lots of petty squabbling little ones, of course.

Obviously not what libertarians image a stateless land to be like, but I think that's the point those who suggest Somalia as libertarian paradise are making: There's no such thing as stateless. Only working state or failed state. (Or basically uninhabited land, I suppose.)
When there isn't a government or the government can't exert authority others try to fill that void.


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thejeff wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Somali woman who reported rape sentenced

Nineteen-year-old will be confined to home for six months and journalists who reported the story are to go to jail.

Somalia = libertarian/anarchist paradise; I think not. This looks mighty statist to me.

I think Somalia's become less of a libertarian/anarchist paradise since that meme took hold.
That's seems like a fair statement, but while Somalia is certainly a failed state I'm not sure it was ever fair to call it stateless.

Well, it was pretty damn close to having no effective government. Lots of petty squabbling little ones, of course.

Obviously not what libertarians image a stateless land to be like, but I think that's the point those who suggest Somalia as libertarian paradise are making: There's no such thing as stateless. Only working state or failed state. (Or basically uninhabited land, I suppose.)
When there isn't a government or the government can't exert authority others try to fill that void.

I reckon that's why I'm a minarchist and not an anarchist.

While I respect the intellectual consistency of anarchists or advocates for a stateless society, I have a hard time imagining things like managing the US nuclear weapons inventory without any government. I see government as an evil, but I imagine it's a necessary evil. It's just an an evil I would like like to see minimized.


Bitter Thorn wrote:

PT Standards in Question for Women in Combat

I'm not suggesting that women in combat is government folly per se; I'm posting these more as a point of interest.

lots of Dumas comments underneath that article. Nonsense. If she can handle the workload, she can fight and kill just like anyone else.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

PT Standards in Question for Women in Combat

I'm not suggesting that women in combat is government folly per se; I'm posting these more as a point of interest.

lots of Dumas comments underneath that article. Nonsense. If she can handle the workload, she can fight and kill just like anyone else.

I didn't look at the comments.

This is still an issue that I'm deeply conflicted on. My experience and my gut tells me this is a bad idea, but most of the current combat professionals I'm friends with tell me my objections are out dated, and I tend to hold their opinions and experience in high regard.

There was a very good thread on this a ways back. I might necro it.


New breed of Senate Democrats drove filibuster change
A wing of relative newcomers, mostly elected after 2006, favor bucking tradition and the party's old guard to help President Obama's agenda along.


Obama hails filibuster changes

Yay hypocrisy!


Senate GOPer: We'll Change Filibuster Rules For SCOTUS Nominees, Too

Yup. This will end badly.

*facepalm*


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Growing acceptance of marijuana no help to pot convicts serving life in the joint

FOX ran something questioning the drug war. Cool.

The link for my articles about Obama cranking up his drug war in Colorado prior to state decriminalization of some pot offenses is no longer working, but feel free to share.

The police state is reacting to a push for freedom and human rights for adults, but maybe we should not not treat pot like weapons grade uranium.

It's just a thought.


TSA agent confiscates sock monkey's pistol

Aren't you glad these people are making us safe? Surely this is worth a few hundred billion.

(sarcasm if there was a question)


Death, Taxes Collide as Fatal Crashes Mount on Filing Day

random


Iowa truancy law relies on citizens to report homeschooling neighbors to authorities

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state.


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NSA Whistleblower Kirk Wiebe Details Gov’t Retaliation After Helping Expose "Gross Mismanagement"

Patrick Cockburn: U.S. Turns Blind Eye as Saudis Fund Jihadists in Syrian Conflict


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

NSA Whistleblower Kirk Wiebe Details Gov’t Retaliation After Helping Expose "Gross Mismanagement"

Patrick Cockburn: U.S. Turns Blind Eye as Saudis Fund Jihadists in Syrian Conflict

TY


FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light


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LG Admits Smart TVs Spied On Users
LG admits it collected information on consumers' viewing habits, promises firmware update to honor opt-out requests.

I guess this is probably corporate malfeasance.


NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show


Bitter Thorn wrote:

Iowa truancy law relies on citizens to report homeschooling neighbors to authorities

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state.

I dunno about where you live but that's been the case roundabouts here for some time and probably around where you live too. It's next to impossible to truly enforce, but yeah - any school age kid outdoors during the school year can have the truancy patrol called on them. By logic the only people who would call be the adults who observe them. This isn't police state, it's a case of an age old and potentially stupid- but understandable in some cases- law.


ALBANY, N.Y. (CN) - New York's plan to turn over massive amounts of student data to a private company for online storage violates privacy laws and could expose the information to hacking, a dozen parents and guardians claim in court.


Bitter Thorn wrote:

LG Admits Smart TVs Spied On Users

LG admits it collected information on consumers' viewing habits, promises firmware update to honor opt-out requests.

I guess this is probably corporate malfeasance.

how do you feel about the Nielsen?


Patriot Act author: Obama’s intel czar should be prosecuted

Hang him high!


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

LG Admits Smart TVs Spied On Users

LG admits it collected information on consumers' viewing habits, promises firmware update to honor opt-out requests.

I guess this is probably corporate malfeasance.

how do you feel about the Nielsen?

Is it agreed between consenting adults? Then cool. Otherwise not so much.


Bitter Thorn wrote:

Patriot Act author: Obama’s intel czar should be prosecuted

Hang him high!

this cracked me up.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Iowa truancy law relies on citizens to report homeschooling neighbors to authorities

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state.

I dunno about where you live but that's been the case roundabouts here for some time and probably around where you live too. It's next to impossible to truly enforce, but yeah - any school age kid outdoors during the school year can have the truancy patrol called on them. By logic the only people who would call be the adults who observe them. This isn't police state, it's a case of an age old and potentially stupid- but understandable in some cases- law.

Wow!

I could not disagree more.


So you could leave school grounds whenever you wanted to do whatever you wanted at the age of 9?

Not being confrontational, but keep in mind the very real differences between where we live. Also I cant say I know of anyone who has called the truancy patrol on someone, but I do know a few idiots who got picked up for smoking weed like idiots in front of the cops when they should have been in school.

Liberty's Edge

Bitter Thorn wrote:
FBI can secretly turn on laptop cameras without the indicator light

1. The FBI can try to install surveillance malware with a warrant that's hard to get.

2. They can't turn on the camera without turning on the indicator light on anything you're likely using. Pretty much every modern laptop camera has that light wired into the power circuitry. So unless they got into your laptop, d&&&d out the led and soldered a resistor in it's place you have nothing to worry about. They likely can turn on cameras without turning on illumination lights, but those are different things.

And frankly, if they had that sort of access the camera is the last thing to sweat.


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I heard that the NSA can even edit-GOD BLESS AMERICA- They even have agents in -ACTIVITIES THAT PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM- If anything we -SHOULD- trust them.


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I'm pretty sure the NSA monitors this website and passes the info along to my employer. I mean, for three years running I was able to read about a half dozen books on the clock during the Xmastime peak, but I start bragging in the Good Books thread, and all of a sudden, BOOM!, my workload doubles and I only got to read a couple of chapters.

F!#&in' NSA...


Freehold DM wrote:

So you could leave school grounds whenever you wanted to do whatever you wanted at the age of 9?

Not being confrontational, but keep in mind the very real differences between where we live. Also I cant say I know of anyone who has called the truancy patrol on someone, but I do know a few idiots who got picked up for smoking weed like idiots in front of the cops when they should have been in school.

When I was 9 the school and truancy authorities didn't worry me. Mom, on the other hand, would have none of that nonsense. ;)


Family of Corvette driver shot dead by LAPD to file $20-million claim


ATF uses rogue tactics in storefront stings across nation

Documents, interviews show agents employed tactics similar to those used in Milwaukee


Both jailed members of Russian punk band Pussy Riot, whose incarceration sparked a global outcry, have been released under an amnesty law.

Some good news.


Bitter Thorn wrote:

ATF uses rogue tactics in storefront stings across nation

Documents, interviews show agents employed tactics similar to those used in Milwaukee

Well written story. Very well written. Ss ever with sting operations, and you really have to wonder exactly whom is being picked up.


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Today's Democracy Now! has got all kindsa goodies about the CIA helping bump people off in Colombia.

Also, Mikhail Kalashnikov, RIP.

[Clenched fist salute]


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Also, Mikhail Kalashnikov, RIP.

+1


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Pornography filters used by major internet service providers are blocking websites offering sex education and advice on sexual health and porn addiction, the BBC has learned.


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UK’s new online porn filters also blocking sex ed and health websites - repor


Nigerian Law Outlawing LGBT Advocacy And Criminalizing Same-Sex Marriage Clears Final Test In Senate

If President Goodluck Jonathan signs the bill into law, Nigeria would have the world’s broadest law cracking down on LGBT rights.


KAMPALA, Uganda (AP) — A spokeswoman for Uganda's parliament says lawmakers have passed a long-shelved law that punishes "aggravated homosexuality" with life imprisonment.


First Australian gay weddings held in capital city

Because some folks seem confused, this is obviously not government folly beyond government dictating adult relationships. This is a small sliver of good news for human rights.


Federal judge strikes down Utah ban on same-sex marriage

More good news not folly in case some people are confused.


Federal judge rules parts of Utah anti-polygamy law unconstitutional

Once again good news over decades of folly for how adults build their relationships.

BTW, my position continues to be that consenting adults should be able to form families as they see fit without any kind of government license. I still find the idea of a marriage license to be as odious as a license to procreate.

My 2 CP.


Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Iowa truancy law relies on citizens to report homeschooling neighbors to authorities

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state.

I dunno about where you live but that's been the case roundabouts here for some time and probably around where you live too. It's next to impossible to truly enforce, but yeah - any school age kid outdoors during the school year can have the truancy patrol called on them. By logic the only people who would call be the adults who observe them. This isn't police state, it's a case of an age old and potentially stupid- but understandable in some cases- law.

It's more about home school than truancy. There has been a vicious war on home schoolers for decades. PM or call me if you want to engage.


Brother of one of my all-time fave writers on the current state of the Arab Spring.

Hazards of Revolution by Patrick Cockburn


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:

Iowa truancy law relies on citizens to report homeschooling neighbors to authorities

Tell me again how we don't live in a police state.

I dunno about where you live but that's been the case roundabouts here for some time and probably around where you live too. It's next to impossible to truly enforce, but yeah - any school age kid outdoors during the school year can have the truancy patrol called on them. By logic the only people who would call be the adults who observe them. This isn't police state, it's a case of an age old and potentially stupid- but understandable in some cases- law.
It's more about home school than truancy. There has been a vicious war on home schoolers for decades. PM or call me if you want to engage.

Really? That's something I did not know, nor would I-it happens aroundabouts but it's not overly popular. Outside of that one law and order episode giving it a bad name, the first time I met someone homeschool educated was in college. She was... Strange to say the least. But yeah, this is something you don't see much of here


I've run into quite a up here in the Land of the Free. I don't mean to unfairly characterize a group of people based on my experiences with a few, but I can't help but relate that one of them we refer to as "Bubble Boy" behind his back.

Otoh, my Buddhist monk's sister's kids are all in a home-school network, and they seem no less weird than any other bunch of 14-18 year olds. They even play D&D.

Wait a minute...


Yay!!


RT's Top 13 Underreported Stories of 2013

I think we in the Bride of Government Folly thread did a pretty good job of covering most of these. Yay us!!


Indeed, I may not agree with you or bt on everything, but you bring up things I might have missed otherwise.

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