Krensky |
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Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep ArmsThey're politely knocking on the doors and removing weapons from people who have lost the right to own firearms. You didn't even read this one, did you?They are also taking them from family members who have not been arbitrarily stripped of their fundamental humans rights.
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or are you just trolling?
Then don't live with a felon. Or keep your guns in storage. There's nothing arbitrary there. Convicted felons, people who have been involuntarily committed and those subject ot domestic violence orders are not allowed to own or have access to firearms. The end.
Why don't you stick to spamming stories about the police shooting pets.
thejeff |
Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep ArmsThey're politely knocking on the doors and removing weapons from people who have lost the right to own firearms. You didn't even read this one, did you?They are also taking them from family members who have not been arbitrarily stripped of their fundamental humans rights.
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or are you just trolling?
Nothing "arbitrary" about it.
And it becomes somewhat pointless to legally prevent a felon from having firearms if he can just pick up a family member's gun at a whim.
Usagi Yojimbo |
Special Forces Deaths Fuel A-10 Debate
Note that the article doesn't say anything about the cause- there's no reason to assume that having a A-10 there would have made a difference.
Freehold DM |
DAYTON, Ohio (CN) - Dayton police "mistook" a mentally handicapped teenager's speech impediment for "disrespect," so they Tasered, pepper-sprayed and beat him and called for backup from "upward of 20 police officers" after the boy rode his bicycle home to ask his mother for help, the boy's mom says.
According to the article, the two people involved in the incident knew each other fairly well. I think there's more to this than what's being reported here or what the mother is saying. I think the cop is trying to shut someone up or intimidate them into silence.
Freehold DM |
Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep ArmsThey're politely knocking on the doors and removing weapons from people who have lost the right to own firearms. You didn't even read this one, did you?They are also taking them from family members who have not been arbitrarily stripped of their fundamental humans rights.
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or are you just trolling?
Not trying to pile on, BT, but this happens in NY a whole hell of a lot. Guns grow legs quite readily, and when you've got a family member of one sort or another who has a clean record and a clean gun, it's not that hard to get one's hands on it. I don't know if this is a good way to go about solving the problem, however.
Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:Special Forces Deaths Fuel A-10 DebateNote that the article doesn't say anything about the cause- there's no reason to assume that having a A-10 there would have made a difference.
This is part of a larger trend and numerous other stories. The Air Force and DOD bureaucrats want to retire the A-10 which is an excellent and cost effective CAS platform. It's low speed and low altitude capabilities make it far superior in the role than a strategic bomber. The low speed and altitude capabilities also make a huge difference in target discernment which greatly reduces the likelihood of civilian and friendly fire casualties.
IMO the rush to retire the A-10 is directly related to the push for the F-35 JSF which I think is a prime example of corruption and incompetence in military/political contracting. IIRC the F-35 project has consumed around 350 billion dollars without fielding a single aircraft. Spending a third of a trillion dollars to replace a system that works very well seems like the definition of government folly to me.
Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:Not trying to pile on, BT, but this happens in NY a whole hell of a lot. Guns grow legs quite readily, and when you've got a family member of one sort or another who has a clean record and a clean gun, it's not that hard to get one's hands on it. I don't know if this is a good way to go about solving the problem, however.Krensky wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep ArmsThey're politely knocking on the doors and removing weapons from people who have lost the right to own firearms. You didn't even read this one, did you?They are also taking them from family members who have not been arbitrarily stripped of their fundamental humans rights.
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or are you just trolling?
I'll get back to you in a PM or email. I think you are a decent person, and you're one of the liberals on here that I actually respect.
I just don't want to see the usual political trolls get this thread closed too.
Usagi Yojimbo |
Usagi Yojimbo wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:Special Forces Deaths Fuel A-10 DebateNote that the article doesn't say anything about the cause- there's no reason to assume that having a A-10 there would have made a difference.This is part of a larger trend and numerous other stories...
... I think is a prime example of corruption and incompetence in military/political contracting. IIRC the F-35 project has consumed around 350 billion dollars without fielding a single aircraft. Spending a third of a trillion dollars to replace a system that works very well seems like the definition of government folly to me.
Oh, no disagreement here, in fact the F-35 story as a whole is even worse than you suggest. I just mean that this particular article does not provide any useful information.
TheWhiteknife |
thejeff |
The blossoming "war on child pornography" looks like it will make the "war on drugs" seem positively reasonable, sane, and useful in comparison.
"Blossoming"? It's been going on for decades.
The particular bit of "War on teens taking sexy pictures of themselves" is only a few years old and getting ugly, with the main penalties falling on the very people it's supposed to be protecting.It's mostly a result of the literal application of laws intended for one purpose to another.
Kirth Gersen |
"Blossoming"? It's been going on for decades.
I don't think we've seen anything yet, compared to where it seems to be headed. I'm pessimistically envisioning a future in which 50% of the population is on some kind of registry list for life, and I think our current 1% of the adult population actually being in prison at any given time will peak at closer to 10% before suffient political leverage to apply the brakes can be found.
MagusJanus |
thejeff wrote:"Blossoming"? It's been going on for decades.I don't think we've seen anything yet, compared to where it seems to be headed. I'm pessimistically envisioning a future in which 50% of the population is on some kind of registry list for life, and I think our current 1% of the adult population actually being in prison at any given time will peak at closer to 10% before suffient political leverage to apply the brakes can be found.
I think you're right, but it won't just be because of the war on child pornography.
thejeff |
thejeff wrote:"Blossoming"? It's been going on for decades.I don't think we've seen anything yet, compared to where it seems to be headed. I'm pessimistically envisioning a future in which 50% of the population is on some kind of registry list for life, and I think our current 1% of the adult population actually being in prison at any given time will peak at closer to 10% before suffient political leverage to apply the brakes can be found.
I don't know. If you're thinking about the results of the sexting cases, the backlash against that has been pretty strong. I suspect it will sort itself out fairly quickly.
Reminds a little bit of the hubbub (back in the 80s? early 90s?) where people were getting busted for child porn for baby pictures. Same kind of thing, where the literal law covered it, but not the obvious intent. Some people's lives certainly got ruined, but the rules got changed, both the actual laws and the unwritten "What's actually a good idea to prosecute" rules.
TheWhiteknife |
Kirth Gersen wrote:thejeff wrote:"Blossoming"? It's been going on for decades.I don't think we've seen anything yet, compared to where it seems to be headed. I'm pessimistically envisioning a future in which 50% of the population is on some kind of registry list for life, and I think our current 1% of the adult population actually being in prison at any given time will peak at closer to 10% before suffient political leverage to apply the brakes can be found.I don't know. If you're thinking about the results of the sexting cases, the backlash against that has been pretty strong. I suspect it will sort itself out fairly quickly.
Reminds a little bit of the hubbub (back in the 80s? early 90s?) where people were getting busted for child porn for baby pictures. Same kind of thing, where the literal law covered it, but not the obvious intent. Some people's lives certainly got ruined, but the rules got changed, both the actual laws and the unwritten "What's actually a good idea to prosecute" rules.
I agree with both of you. I think its going to get alot worse, but when it does it will quickly get better.
Freehold DM |
Usagi Yojimbo |
Usagi Yojimbo |
Comrade Anklebiter |
David North.
[Deep breath]
Leading figure in the Socialist Equality Party, which used to be the Workers League, which was the American section of the International Committee of the Fourth International before that blew up (and rather dramatically) in the mid-80s.
I was trained to hate them as a young goblin militant, so I will say nothing more other than offer a list of names to look up, if you want to further vett the site: Gerry Healy (boo!), Tim Wohlforth (boo!), Cliff Slaughter (awesome name!) and Vanessa Redgrave (you might have heard of her).
All that being said, they can write some pretty good articles when they want to.
Usagi Yojimbo |
David North.
[Deep breath]
Leading figure in the Socialist Equality Party, which used to be the Workers League, which was the American section of the International Committee of the Fourth International before that blew up (and rather dramatically) in the mid-80s.
Good lord. Went and followed the links a few deep in Wikipedia.
So, basically, world communism failed and fell because they spent a century engaged in an ideological struggle to the death with their worst enemies... communists.
Comrade Anklebiter |
I have a couple pamphlets, believe it or not, but they don't appear to be on the internet.
Wohlforth was kicked out back in the mid-70s, I believe, and is today a Democrat, I think. Maybe he hangs out with Citizen K(e)rensky.
I have no idea whatever happened to Cliff Slaughter, or even whether he is still alive.
Vanessa Redgrave, according to wikipedia, was last in a film with Steve Carrell, Channing Tatum and Marc Ruffalo that competed for the Palme d'Or at Cannes.
Comrade Anklebiter |
Comrade Anklebiter |
Doubling down, baby!
Democracy Now!: U.S. Turns Back on Child Migrants After Its Policies in Guatemala, Honduras Sowed Seeds of Crisis
Socialist Worker:
A Flood of Bigotry About the Border
Black Agenda Report:
What Corporate Media and Corporate Latino Politicians Won't Tell You About Central American Child Refugees
Freehold DM |
Freehold DM wrote:Bitter Thorn wrote:Police Chase and Kill 3 Dogs in Marijuana Raid: "Like Shooting Deer"I remain unconvinced. If you're into weed and have more than two pit bulls, you're protecting your stash with lethal intent imo.Or the mama had a litter of pups and the owners like to relax on the weekend. Or a family lives in a more rural environment and they have multiple rescue dogs some of which are pit mixes, and they have a family member who is being treated with MMJ.
There's a whole world of examples that don't fit your opinion here.
Add to that the fact that cops routinely falsely claim that the dogs they shot are "vicious", "dangerous", and "pit bulls" because a lot of folks stop reading at that point, and there is a hell of a lot of cause to be skeptical.
Freehold DM |
More studies needed in apparent choke hold death
This officer has been sued before for bigoted behavior on the job, including a illegal strip search. SI cops are notorious for their bigoted attitudes and being the even longer arm of the mob, but this is a particularly egregious episode. That EMS didn't do anything is either going to clear the cops or damn them further.
Comrade Anklebiter |
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To tide you all over until Comrade Thorn returns:
Legion Janus |
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FBI paying people to be terrorists
Please tell me that story is not true...
Comrade Anklebiter |
Freehold DM |
TheWhiteknife |
TheWhiteknife |
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This must be that "government-is-held-more-easily-accountable-than-private-individuals" that I heard so much about before.
Oh man, it gets better. When his mistress broke it off with him, Judge McCree lied to prosecuters to try to get her arrested for stalking and extortion.
So where the heck are the perjury charges?
Comrade Anklebiter |