Baleful Polymorph Will Save


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Can a wizard choose to lower the Will Save portion of Baleful Polymorph but keep the Fort save portion high?


Nope. There is no mechanic to lower a saving throw unless you are choosing to not use a feat.

- Gauss

Grand Lodge

You could always pump the target's will save first. Owl's wisdom or the like.


I always house rule that magic effects can be lowered but not raised. Usually that's reserved for DMG and CL, but perhaps saves too. Again, house rule.

Are you trying to make a permanent animal companion from a former servant or companion?


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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

I always house rule that magic effects can be lowered but not raised. Usually that's reserved for DMG and CL, but perhaps saves too. Again, house rule.

Are you trying to make a permanent animal companion from a former servant or companion?

I'm not.

... one of my players wants to use baleful polymorph on his followers to have higher HD guinea pigs.

I was trying to figure out how much from rules I'd be deviating.

...poor poor guinea pigs.


chavamana wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

I always house rule that magic effects can be lowered but not raised. Usually that's reserved for DMG and CL, but perhaps saves too. Again, house rule.

Are you trying to make a permanent animal companion from a former servant or companion?

I'm not.

... one of my players wants to use baleful polymorph on his followers to have higher HD guinea pigs.

I was trying to figure out how much from rules I'd be deviating.

...poor poor guinea pigs.

They'll have the same HD regardless. The fort save keeps them from transforming. The will save is if they fail the fort save. If they fail the will save they'll also think they're a guinea pig.

Regardless of their saves they still have the same HD and HP.

Grand Lodge

They can willfully fail a saving throw.
Simply pump their saves, have them willfully save the Fort save, and hope they don't roll a 1 on the Will save.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

They can willfully fail a saving throw.

Simply pump their saves, have them willfully save the Fort save, and hope they don't roll a 1 on the Will save.

Check this thread. I've had the idea of a unique spell based on Baleful polymorph.

Frankly if there's a base race who is technically a shapechanger and they can somehow keep themselves from failing a will save this is a really good travel spell. Well, it's not teleport, but you'd be a great overland scout.

Grand Lodge

Now, if I can only figure out how Flesh to Ooze works.

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