Now, I don't really believe that, but do you see how specious that argument is? If you're going to make a claim, you need to offer something other than "This is how it might have gone differently in the fantasy world in my head."I don't think that it's too much of a stretch of the imagination to say that if Aurora allowed concealed carry that someone could have stopped the massacre before the shooter got bored, ran of ammo or whatever it was that made him walk out of the theater and voluntarily surrender to the police. Obviously there is no way to know exactly how it would have turned out but at least these people could have had a chance to defend themselves. Isn't that better than just, well, dying.
Why don't you go read up on the whole thing and then come back when you have at least some of the facts straight, hmmm?
Until then you're just proving how ignorant you are of the whole thing and no one is going to take you seriously (can't promise that anyone will afterwards either, but at least you'll have your facts straight).| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Gentle Giant,
Calling someone else ignorant isn't making an argument its an insult. You could perhaps explain what you think the other poster has wrong that you think is leading to what you see as his erroneous conclusion.
No, calling someone ignorant is simply saying that they don't know the subject, hence they are ignorant about the subject. If I had called him stupid it would have been an insult. I am ignorant about several things in this world, but if I study them I am no longer ignorant about them, or at least less ignorant about them.
I'm not going to do his homework for him, he can read the articles the rest of us have... that's what we did and how I know that he's ignorant about pretty much everything he wrote there (he can start with all the articles linked in this thread).
Just because the word ignorant can be used in a derogatory manner doesn't mean that it is always used that way.
His comment also reads to me as if he hasn't read the whole thread.
But I'll throw him a quick bone:
Colorado has concealed carry licenses.
EDIT:
Pretty much every statement he made in the part I quoted is factually wrong or seriously speculative with no shred of evidence to back it up, which shows me he's ignorant of the subject. Or "that he doesn't know what he's talking about/has all the facts wrong" if you find that more palatable.
So, he's either ignorant or a troll. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him correct his ignorance.
No, calling someone ignorant is simply saying that they don't know the subject, hence they are ignorant about the subject.
Right, but even if its correct, in terms of making your point its just an ad hom. It can (but probably shouldn't be) be an opening or closing statement, but as a stand alone argument it doesn't prove anything and its counter productive. If someone is demonstrably wrong then SHOW them that: don't tell them.
No, calling someone ignorant is simply saying that they don't know the subject, hence they are ignorant about the subject.Right, but even if its correct, in terms of making your point its just an ad hom. It can (but probably shouldn't be) be an opening or closing statement, but as a stand alone argument it doesn't prove anything and its counter productive. If someone is demonstrably wrong then SHOW them that: don't tell them.
Again, I don't need or want to do his homework for him. He can just open up the latest link posted and voila, several of his statements are disproven.
If you want to join a discussion at least have the decency to have actually read at least one article about the subject. And don't start out by saying something that can be researched with a 5 second Google search (the concealed carry thing).I'm just fed up with trying to have a discussion with people who can't even muster that much research.
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YOU want a system that assumes guilt until (if) you can prove you deserve RIGHTS.Actually thats not what is being asked for.
I also find it curious that so many defending/demanding their 'rights' seem to not have an iota of interest in any sort of communal responsibilities.
We do, we watch where we shoot. You want collective to be held higher than individual rights pick a different country
Sec. 94-152. - Firearms on private property.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to enter or remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment when such property, building, or establishment is posted with notification that the carrying of firearms is prohibited.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment after such person has been given verbal notice that the carrying of firearms is prohibited on such property, building, or establishment.
(c)
Possession of a permit issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to repeal, or possession of a permit or temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to pt. 2 of art. 18 of tit. 9 of the Colorado Revised Statutes shall be no defense to a violation of this section.
City ordinance makes it illegal to bring a weapon into the theater (that didn't allow weapons in).
You are welcome.
In happier news...
"Opening fire in my movie, that's F-ING DISTRACTING!"
Tip of the Hat to Bale.
pre man - oddly enough yes, private property owners are allowed to decide what comes into their establishments. Is there anywhere that this ISN"T a rule?
Sec. 94-152. - Firearms on private property.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to enter or remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment when such property, building, or establishment is posted with notification that the carrying of firearms is prohibited.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment after such person has been given verbal notice that the carrying of firearms is prohibited on such property, building, or establishment.
(c)
Possession of a permit issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to repeal, or possession of a permit or temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to pt. 2 of art. 18 of tit. 9 of the Colorado Revised Statutes shall be no defense to a violation of this section.City ordinance makes it illegal to bring a weapon into the theater (that didn't allow weapons in).
You are welcome.
Thank you. I was just about to post [essentially] this.
According to this, Aurora has a concealed carry ban. Other great targets for spree killers include Boulder, Broomfield, Colorado Springs, Denver, Englewood, Lakewood, Littleton, Longmont, Northglenn, Pueblo, Thornton, Westminster and Wheat Ridge.
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pre[s] man - oddly enough yes, private property owners are allowed to decide what comes into their establishments. Is there anywhere that this ISN"T a rule?
I believe it isn't a rule in GentleGiant's private fantasy world where he is all knowing and everyone else is an ignorant worm.
Sec. 94-152. - Firearms on private property.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to enter or remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment when such property, building, or establishment is posted with notification that the carrying of firearms is prohibited.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person, carrying a firearm, to remain upon any private property of another or any building or property of a commercial establishment after such person has been given verbal notice that the carrying of firearms is prohibited on such property, building, or establishment.
(c)
Possession of a permit issued pursuant to C.R.S. 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to repeal, or possession of a permit or temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to pt. 2 of art. 18 of tit. 9 of the Colorado Revised Statutes shall be no defense to a violation of this section.City ordinance makes it illegal to bring a weapon into the theater (that didn't allow weapons in).
You are welcome.
I believe this was overruled in 2003 and upheld by the Colorado Supreme court:
"In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities, rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25), all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable. "Also:
Concealed Carry Permits
Which indicates that you cannot CC in places where federal law prohibits it, at schools and where there's actual security personnel checking for weapons (i.e. a sign isn't enough).
Locking thread.
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Flag it and move on, please.